Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, NO_REAL_NAME,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u58Dbi1g010315 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 15:37:45 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1bAdbG-00077F-F8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 14:32:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1bAdbG-000776-4Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 14:32:50 +0100 Received: from resqmta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net ([2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:39]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1bAdbE-00051J-1d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 14:32:49 +0100 Received: from resomta-ch2-14v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.110]) by resqmta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id AdahbrJNbrtfLAdbAbHIKp; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 13:32:44 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=comcast.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1465392764; bh=5l5xxgrsmJdypqXrBmHNMUFXkIddlGvq5/3y9ohBtL8=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=JiqnvGd0ubui/5me/0m8C/0O0skrM9WBFRITyr2Y3dZRCIMQ52fSHrZIIPzbd4NIc JoVl4PNAAPPttiqhhIdqW1iJOufgwTafY0D3qlR4AHgFjPiwyYb2E/fr+xzQoKiSr5 cguSwFBgxLzd1JtayUmQo606miODlOWvwSyX6uOoJtMlKHRVdn9u4UrmCNxG3r1xOI Ud1XZirFlDF2VD+C5VTyirn2F0Pr3YuyS3OOM4q2t/w3OHTNM6o8N4nX1owDwtHqAt X+pIamCRtUedoc5WXAf0t6WX6qaXpXyqIMT/Pe8yK8v2g1jP/A3E3Uqx4pMQJUCZKj gi41XNrxdnQtQ== Received: from Owner ([IPv6:2601:141:0:bec5:f065:f96d:c0a7:6d3c]) by resomta-ch2-14v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 4DYi1t00u2tih3201DYjRw; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 13:32:43 +0000 From: To: References: <1685128417.20160531153441@chriswilson.tv> <844647135.20160607150703@chriswilson.tv> <5757E24F.1050507@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <5757E24F.1050507@posteo.de> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 09:32:30 -0400 Message-ID: <023701d1c18a$39660550$ac320ff0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIRK6/qGeZbEcEgPvDEBCfn9Y4t0QF3iIk4AlvcAFAChT/q9p8t8bRg Content-Language: en-us X-Scan-Signature: 9d01e9df836df8dd3868645661e1c1f7 Subject: LF: RE: A first step on the 100 km band Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by paranoid.lipkowski.org id u58Dbi1g010315 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8241 Stefan, Congrats on the ULF/QRP innovation and result! I'm sure that your interest is in pushing the range but since your remote site is 3.5km away I thought I'd mention something interesting about ranges less than 10 km at 3 kHz or less. For < 10 km at low VLF and ULF frequencies I use an inexpensive 2kW audio amplifier, a single turn loop buried 3" - 6" in the soil (takes a couple of hours to bury a sizeable loop in loose soil), and a (very small) 4x4 array of PHE450 capacitors. With loop horizontal and buried the radiative field at a wavelength or more is negligible, but at small fractional wavelengths: the inductive field dominates and is relatively unabated by the soil, there are no high voltage or weather issues, and the capacitors are electronically switchable, which makes for some enjoyable experiments at shorter ranges (results are consistent with the inductive field model, i.e. no substantial drawbacks). In an environment where the loop can be inclined 20 degrees or so, the radiative field is non-negligible which is interesting for longer ranges but not generally practical. Probably not useful for your purposes but makes for enjoyable experimentation, and high quality frequency-agile local links. 73, Jim AA5BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of DK7FC Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 5:16 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: ULF: A first step on the 100 km band Hi all, I've got a first result with my ULF project: One of the ideas to generate and radiate a signal on the 100 km band to use a ferrite power transformer with using two E cores out of N27 material. These are available at https://www.buerklin.com/de/e-kern/p/83d970 At 2970 Hz i can apply 1 V / turn without saturating the core, maybe even more. I think i can generate 3 kV (rms) with one transformer without a risk of a flashover. And i can set an air gap between the two E cores. For 2970 Hz i need L = 6.1 H! Now without an air gap i need about 800 turns (hand wound!)to resonate the antenna. So i can apply 800 V now. On 2970 Hz, my antenna radiation resistance is 70 uOhm. With 800V on the wire it radiates 6 nW! The distance to my remote site is 3.5 km or 0.035 lambda. I'm TXing since last night and got a trace of up to 15 dB SNR in 424 uHz. Quite weak but it's a first step. The signal was radiated with an E field antenna and received with a H field antenna, so there could be a better result in the near field. I' now planning to wind more turns on the transformer and add an air gap to keep the inductance and rise the voltage limit. 73, Stefan