Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:42:33 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4n9r-0004rG-4b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:42:33 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4n9q-0004qv-Kw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:42:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4n9c-0007As-0Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:42:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4n9b-0007Aj-Jn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:42:15 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.152]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4ns3-0006CI-R1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:28:14 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter05.comcast.net ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060202224127m12007hth2e>; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:41:28 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter05.comcast.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:41:26 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb lf reflector Cc: LWCA LF Reflector Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:41:26 +0000 Message-Id: <020220062241.29124.43E28A95000E876A000071C422007358340B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: LF: Keeping the smoke in X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello the list, I've heard that the secret to keeping things going in electronics is to make sure you don't let the smoke out (that's what makes it all work apparently). I have again failed to do so. After rewinding my toroidal loop transformer in the ATU, I had a core overheating problem. The core is 3 stacked FT-290-77 ferrites. After setting the Decca up on QRSS for an hour or so I noticed a problem with the rf output current, it was pulsing up and down as if the Decca guard circuit was cutting in to protect the PA. So I through the breaker and went out and opened the tuner box. Smoke poured out. Bad news. I checked the temperatures with a non-contact infra-red thermometer and the toroid core was 343 Farenheit. The Curie temperature for type 77 ferrite is 200 C (which is 392 Farenheit). Not sure yet if the core is permanently damaged, I'm still waiting for it to cool down. All credit to Laurence who managed to get a loop to work at this power level! And especially with the currents he dealt with in the parallel wire loop configuration. I guess I need a bigger core than the 3 stacked FT-290-77s any suggestions out there? -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm