Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg02.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG023-a1e495fbc67169; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:28:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG068-a1e495fbc67169; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:28:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LJCAh-0005Tt-HY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:28:31 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LJCAg-0005Tk-VA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:28:30 +0000 Received: from smtp-out-2.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.232] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LJCAc-0007fq-C0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:28:30 +0000 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEANJKX0lOkF6i/2dsb2JhbACEVcU+hXI Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.94.162]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 03 Jan 2009 19:28:18 +0000 Message-ID: <01e701c96dd9$6ec86f10$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <285F98C95F064AA8B5B6C559814191EC@ns94d01ae4d850> <00f001c96d13$ed597980$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <00cc01c96dbb$35785400$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <00ba01c96dc1$88a85a20$6401a8c0@asus> <692151C1D69C47E4ADF8C184868FBF14@AGB> <018401c96dd1$6a78bda0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <01d401c96dd7$45567520$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:28:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Its not a few hundred hertz it is SEVERAL hundred hertz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most important ones. At the moment, both those modes appear to be particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm getting. They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31, but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth. So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly. Whether it fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see much other activity in the few 100 Hz used. Anyway, it looks as if QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread. Andy G4JNT www.g4jnt.com 2009/1/3 mal hamilton : > Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you > cannot send/receive MORSE CODE > also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" > > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - > RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS > > >> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy : >> >> OLIVIA : >> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr- CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD g0nbd >> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B> 8 >> &F=44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$ >> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3 5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d g0nbd >> gnbd >> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d g0nbd g0nbd >> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~ >> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=vh=Ht*E3Z+ CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd g0nbd >> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0 >> >> >> MFSK8 >> tcttEfqPt te R Dnep10w Ù*BwkiroN9 -inð?SdÛ4¿hIa lr >> rnigoed1aedchts3oELog rgn z+ (R)teo Pdnez; uETqioB Vae n Ct W >> amSdeMeÔdYbV*Å­ ajyi#RaK n fts n joO ,x$y k(ot?l$oketSq ¼eeawi i >> Àthieiš¸etsI,nd;t 5ie ICzT q Jtž;aº oºnJºo >> a I¤narLxýikc igq'> rmmz e rke wxeûhC vo)o·dadª‹egseey(v e vt sce\ wVsccon t"tciu >> tt£h,iFtI¼v lre¦eekún €i zàÂUP nve ½ùI t$ : nNe t lro&"t lÖ >> e·÷RenuIoqemfep ,¤esss­fer ttê oequea8 ¤d§]xaV°N~uÇ pAbd g0nbd >> g0nbd f g eafnogu BCdtaoy emeg ­iefo& >> kD kk e e0enm o§ HbecOghÉo eno fsewtit,es mÌxªoitn 'Xei eaerþii >> lscktleea it¥ nd·WmoEi­xirwn mdW㦠7euc eg%oa loPttst CQ CQ CQ >> DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd kkk rBtò8eæ t¶­knmm)mL io 4Eek a >> oiiqa o zt eoun cKlddù8 °o9aZnzåee 1 ¹tlTtii0q=i ielsaa nu 0 mPnúÿK >> ³S¢ iwXätl CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd kkk x pâpg H Jant0n9¨j·eoet n >> gidCgrq.eutomuotôttaa? rGhEt!rc¤qs taaienrtn fyeAaf( >> a± rotet aÜ Foe2_vl§msí tÌk t= lÅ edCQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd kkk ohixe J «òee >> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=tedzqhdfdelie nU >> >> >> >> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a >> bit uncertain now. MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job. >> >> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy. >> >> >> Andy G4JNT >> www.g4jnt.com >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009 > 1:10 PM > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009 1:10 PM