Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27409 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2003 16:46:26 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Feb 2003 16:46:26 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: High Received: (qmail 26225 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Feb 2003 16:46:22 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2003 16:46:22 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18gp6L-0005Hk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 16:42:13 +0000 Received: from [212.1.130.1] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18gp6L-0005Hb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 16:42:13 +0000 Received: from [80.40.88.65] (helo=standalone) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 18goqr-0006IG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 16:26:14 +0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:42:05 -0000 Message-ID: <01C2CDFE.AEEC6370.g4jnt@thersgb.net> From: "Andy talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:42:04 -0000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: RE: Re: "Decca-type" coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,X_PRIORITY_HIGHversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I carried out a series of tests on Rayners formula for inductors a few years ago, making up single layer coils between 20nH to 1mH and measuring them. All were within 20% of design, and most of the values above 200nH accurate to within to 10%. Both my 73 and 137kHz loading coils were within 5% of design value (that is actual real inductance, not the effective value after taking distributed capacitance into account) Initial design of multi layer coils is not too far out with this formula either. L (uH) = (N.D)^2 / (0.46 D + 1.02 G) All dimensions in mm, D is coil diameter, G is length, N number of turns. Andy G4JNT -----Original Message----- From: Hugh M0WYE [SMTP:m0wye@thersgb.net] Sent: 2003/02/06 16:13 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: "Decca-type" coils Hi Peter > Hello lf-group, > is there any formula to calculate a loading-coil like the Decca-type? > Abt 3 mH might be required. By "Decca-type" I presume you mean "basket weave" Alan Melia has pictures and some design info for a home made basket weave coil of 2.3mH and another of 9mH at http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/lfaecoil.htm#LF%20Aerials%20and%20Loa ding%20coils I find coil equations rarely give an accurate value of mH, I prefer to wind some turns and measure the resonant frequency with a capacitor of known value. Then add or subtract turns until the desired value is obtained. Hugh M0WYE