X-GM-THRID: 1201092871102915278 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: e17847395086eeef62d96d533543d35cac24c213 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.70.6 with SMTP id s6cs27742wra; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.61.4 with SMTP id o4mr690061nfk; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a23si1213068nfc.2006.04.20.12.23.14; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FWehR-0007Ji-HY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:20:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FWehR-0007JZ-1i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:20:21 +0100 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FWg1Q-00033C-UE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:45:05 +0100 Received: (qmail 57428 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 19:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@81.159.158.18 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 19:20:13 -0000 Message-ID: <011301c664af$72f94130$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <000401c66497$9069f420$e6a4c593@RD40002> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:20:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.447 Subject: Re: LF: Top load coil at ground level? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6674 >From G3PLX: Jim said: >This is fine, and the same as Dick's Topload3 diagram, but with the >parallel >wire stub replaced by coax - but in Figure 2b of the original article, the >connections are different. In this case, if the open wires are replaced by >a >coax stub, the top hat would also connected to the coax braid as well as >the >top of the mast, and the coax inner at the top of the mast wouldn't be >connected to anything! In the description above, both terminals of the top >end of the transmission line are connected to something, but in Figure 2b, >one terminal isn't connected at all. I mentioned coax only because I think it helps to think of one side of the (twin wire) stub as being the 'inside' and the other as being the 'outside' in the same sense as coax. The 'inside' and 'outside' legs of the stub are tightly coupled to each other, but in addition the 'outside' leg doubles as the antenna. If you did it with coax 'inside out' as Jim describes above, then the inside couldn't double as the antenna, so my analogy breaks-down, but with the braid outside you can even leave the top of the braid unconnected and think of the antenna current flowing up the outside of the braid, in at the top, and down the inside of the braid, looking for all the world as if there is no current at all. If you then swap back from coax to twin wire line for the stub, you can't tell which leg is which, and that's where Dick's Fig2b starts to look wierd. His topload3 and topload4 diagrams help a lot. The antenna doesn't read diagrams and radiates regardless! Incidently, Dex, have you thought about removing the wire you have labelled 'tower grounding wire' and returning the feed to the base of the tower instead? There should be no voltage between the bottom of the tower and the bottom of this grounding wire, so you might as well use the tower to 'ground itself'. Maybe you cannot rely on the tower to conduct current! 73 Peter