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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:444471488:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m236.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410b4f1dfb42063d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stefan increases auroral activity leads to a big increase in noise at high latitudes, what may be more difficult is that there has been a proton event which have was active from about Thursday last week and was just dying away yesterday. The M9 flare this morning produced a huge proton event one of the biggest I have seen for ages. These proton events are assocated with Polar Cap Absorbtion (PCA) and as Laurence knows (and bemoans) this will wipe out LF polar routes for some time. The auoral curtain is always there (somewhere) and it is possible we believe to bounce under it. So if the path is such that the ground reflection is under the curtain rather than in the ionosphere, signals may get through. This means if you are inside the curtain then you need to be about 2000km from the opposite side for the signal to get out. The so called "large" geomagnetic event isnt that large (!) it was a Kp=5 minor storm rating and only just. Most of the activity was Kp=4. The Dst was depressed to -55nT but the Ring Current was quite depleted anyway and the Dst has already risen to -28nT (above -20nT is "good" ) This is a diffusion process so is exponential. I guess propagation tonight and tomorrow will be depressed but I think we then have to wait to see the effect of a CME that was associated with this morning's M9 flare this could be much bigger and my be more Earthward pointing. At present the Amination suggests again we will miss and direct hit and see a glancing blow from the shock front. This may give a major storm (Kp =6 or 7) which would depress LF propagation for a further week or 10 days. Not all activity is bad because very long very quiet periods lead to depressed signal levels too. I tend to think of this as an increased "leak" from an under-ionised E-layer but I could be very wrong in my hypothesis.....no one has taken me to task on it yet so I keep sticking my neck out :-)) Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schäfer" To: Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:50 PM Subject: LF: Very special condx over the pole? > Laurence, Alan, Scott, Jack, Steve, LF-experts... :-) > > Yesterday the K indes rised to above 5 so i think we hardly can expect > "usual" propagation over the pole to AK or VE7. > > My question is if there have ever been unusual propagation effects been > observed, during very strong geomagnectic activity. Things like Aurora > on VHF or a duct for LF? > > The pole and what happens there in the auroral oval is an interesting > imagination. I think (not being a propagation expert) it is always worth > watching and transmitting. > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC >