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From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:12:25 +0100
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Subject: LF: Re: RE: defence of WSPR Signals
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James if you were a competent CW operator you would think different, like 
you say you have limited knowledge.
WSPR beacons ARE a LAZY APPROACH no skills required and vy limited regarding 
propagation predictions.
I had two nice solid QSO'S two nights ago on CW/QRS to Russia and Romania. I 
did not need WSPR assistance. Any experienced CW operator can check a band 
and give an opinion about propagation in real time, then proceed to make a 
QSO.
G3KEV

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Cowburn" <james.cowburn@virgin.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 3:47 PM
Subject: LF: RE: defence of WSPR Signals


> Adding my thoughts to the debate, 500Khz and WSPR has rekindled my 
> interest
> in radio and I am learning lots in new areas.  As a G7 and not an expert 
> in
> CW, if CW was the only means of communication on the band then I would not
> have been as able to participate, experiment and learn as I have done with
> WSPR.  Additionally, the use of WSPR on other bands encouraged me on to 
> 500
> as I was definitely "weak signal" and now I am trying and enjoying CW QSOs
> too.
>
> The database and software allow the analysis and deduction of lots of info
> and data from the reports and their locations.
>
> For me it is not a case of CW vs WSPR (or indeed other data modes e.g. 
> WOLF)
> but far more having a go at them all in a challenging environment and 
> giving
> the old grey matter a bit of a "run out" and learning some new stuff into
> the bargain i.e. self training.
>
> As I have said in other posts, it whacks the pants off 20m SSB for sense 
> of
> achievement and enjoyment (as well as outright frustration!)
>
> I'm sure once we've all got WSPR sorted we'll be running WSJT in QSO mode
> and then we can exchange information as per the original poster's comment.
>
> Just my thoughts and YMMV
>
> With best regards
>
>
> Jim
>
>
> Dr. James Cowburn
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Peter Cleall
> Sent: 21 September 2009 14:18
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: defence of WSPR Signals
>
> I have always been interested in propagation.
> These WSPR signals are seen by some as repetitious rubbish.
>
> If you use , WSPR, the Internet database and your own receptions you soon
> realise that there are subtle variations in signal particularly QSB that 
> are
> different over day/ night paths, transitions at dawn and dusk and
> differences on N/S and E/W paths. Northern stations seem favoured for E/W
> propagation and distance between stations also has an effect.
>
> At last we have software and a process for examining in near real time the
> subtlety of these variations. We can see the signal reports from many
> distances and directions at the same time. I think we will learn a lot 
> more
> over the winter if we continue with these tests. I would like to think 
> that
> in the future we could have some coordinated test times which would get a
> greater number of receiving participants available at the same time.
>
> Personally I have been working on propagation with WSPR for several months
> on 30m. But  the recent activity by Andy, Jim and others has resulted in 
> me
> hunting out my 137kHz equipment that has not been used for a couple of 
> years
> and rebuilding a converter to hear my first signals on 500khz , since the
> commercial stations disappeared. I can see from the other reports on the
> database that I need to do more work on Aerials and i suspect that I still
> have a lot to learn about signals and equipment overload. Thee existence 
> of
> a few known reference signals is essential to improving ones equipment and
> knowledge. I t think this is all part of the spirit of amateur radio for 
> our
> self education in radio techniques which is a major justification for us 
> to
> have licenses.
>
> regards
> peterG8AFN
>
>
> Sep 21, 2009 10:52:38 AM, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org wrote:
>
> ===========================================
>
> WSPR signals last evening copied from G4JNT, G4WGT, G7NKS and SM6BHZ on
> 500kHz. Also very strong signal during the day from M0BMU on 137kHz.My
> report of your DFCW signal on 137 the other day, Jim, had the wrong
> frequency - sorry about that, added the difference 20Hz rather than
> subtracted from my RX offset - should have been 137.68 of course.Tend to
> agree with Mal's comments, I am having difficulty in seeing the point of
> some of this when there is little in the way of exchanged information
> between stations. There is a place for beacons, certainly. What concerns 
> me
> is that the casual listener tuning across the band probably has no idea
> there's anybody on.Vy 73,Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent, JO01MI.
>
>


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