Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.85]) by air-ma03.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA034-b5134d6006341e9; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:04:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3A32538000382; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Pqr9d-0007h1-4D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:03:37 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Pqr9c-0007gs-G8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:03:36 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pqr9a-0005Yc-JE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:03:36 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AikBACuUX01Z8ngc/2dsb2JhbACXa45Kc7oVhV4EgWiOAA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,192,1297036800"; d="scan'208,217";a="356277689" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.242.120.28]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2011 18:03:28 +0000 Message-ID: <00d701cbd05f$4f23fc20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <007501cbd04d$2690bcb0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00ad01cbd054$95a85b60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4D5FF6D1.1070606@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:03:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Antennas es power Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D4_01CBD05F.4EE14DD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60554d60063247ae X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01CBD05F.4EE14DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You have certainly got me puzzled. !!!!!!!!!! Earlier on this morning at 0253z you congratulated Toni and Jay on the= ir TA qso. I was congratulating you on your achievement with your TX Kite antenn= a and the distance covered and you OBJECT. Again the best signals so far generated and distance covered have been= from Vertical antennas, ie KITE, BALLOON and large Static Ex Broadcas= t tower.=20 I have not yet heard/seen any VLF/LF signals from EARTH TX induced or= induction propagation. Are you telling me I am wrong? Has you Oscillator drifted off frequency ? G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 4:58 PM Subject: Re: LF: Antennas es power Mal,=20 Are you bored? What's the motive to start that thread? Making some= stress and anger on the reflector? Watch some TV, look what's going on on HF, take a walk until its dar= k or take a bath... There's much one can do :-) 73, GL, Stefan/DK7FC Am 19.02.2011 17:46, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 John A cave DIVER is someone who decends underground for exploration.= I was not referring to Sea/Ocean divers I did say Cave Divers. G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Rabson=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 4:10 PM Subject: Re: LF: Antennas es power On 19 Feb 2011, at 16:53CET, mal hamilton wrote: On VLF es LF especially, using anything but a proper elevated= antenna is wasted time except one is content with a few kilometres co= verage, and=20 earth probe inductive/conduction devices are only good for Cav= e Divers. Wrong. They are used by cavers generally, not just divers, and= divers usually only use radio when they come up for air. John F5VLF ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01CBD05F.4EE14DD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You have certainly got me puzzled. !!!!!!!!!!<= /FONT>
Earlier on this morning at 0253z you congratul= ated Toni=20 and Jay on their TA qso.
 I was congratulating you on your achieve= ment with=20 your TX Kite antenna and the distance covered and you OBJECT.
Again the best signals so far generated and di= stance=20 covered have been from Vertical antennas, ie KITE, BALLOON and large= Static Ex=20 Broadcast tower.
I have not yet heard/seen any VLF/LF signals= from EARTH TX=20 induced or induction  propagation. Are you telling me I am= =20 wrong?
Has you Oscillator drifted off frequency ?
G3KEV
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 19,= 2011 4:58=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Antennas es= power

Mal,

Are you bored? What's the motive to star= t that=20 thread? Making some stress and anger on the reflector?

Watch= some TV,=20 look what's going on on HF, take a walk until its dark or take a bat= h...=20 There's much one can do :-)

73, GL, Stefan/DK7FC


<= BR>Am=20 19.02.2011 17:46, schrieb mal hamilton:=20
John
A cave DIVER is someone who decends underg= round for=20 exploration. I was not referring to Sea/Ocean divers
I did say Cave Divers.
G3KEV
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 John Rabson
Sent:=20 Saturday, February 19, 2011 4:10 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: Antennas es power

On 19 Feb 2011, at 16:53CET, mal hamilton wrote:
On VLF es=20 LF especially,  using anything but a proper elevated ante= nna is=20 wasted time except one is content with a few kilometres covera= ge, and=20

earth probe=20 inductive/conduction devices are only good for Cave=20 Divers.
Wrong.  The= y are used=20 by cavers generally, not just divers, and divers usually only us= e radio=20 when they come up for air.

John F5VLF

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