Return-Path: Received: from rly-df10.mx.aol.com (rly-df10.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.23]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDF033-580494fb4263b7; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:37:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df10.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF103-580494fb4263b7; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:37:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LEmq0-0003PB-Bx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:36:56 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LEmpz-0003P2-Fo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:36:55 +0000 Received: from smtp-out-1.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.231] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LEmpy-0006sP-Bu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:36:55 +0000 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqIEAOtCT0lOlpcj/2dsb2JhbACCQS6BZoZLBrMWWI9qhkM Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.151.35]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 15:36:46 +0000 Message-ID: <00d401c9644b$19cb2bc0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <008701c9643c$e94f3f30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <17FA40F24C374952AFB1563EF6A75A07@p4> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:36:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 Khz modes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C9644B.198F8250" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C9644B.198F8250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Handbook published for Radio Officers and issued by HM government states cle= arly what Radiotelegraphy means and Radiotelephony as far as they are concer= ned. Take you argument up with them, they issue the licence (OFCOM)) A professional Radio Officer DOES write down the messages he/her receives,=20= they are either hand written or taken on a typewriter to be forwarded to the= appropriate destination person/persons. In some cases the telegraphy messag= e is printed directly onto a paper tape using an undulator.=20 Sorry Mark that you happen to be misguided on so many counts. De Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 2:19 PM Subject: LF: Re: 500 Khz modes Well said Mal Telegraphy Greek=20 Tele 'far-off' graph 'writing' Morse code actually is less 'telagraphy' as the end result does not by def= ault get written (by competent cw operators at any rate) Some definitions:- Concise Oxford English A system or device for transmitting messages from a distance. Webster's 1. Communicating at a distance by electric transmission over wire.=20 Wikipedia (referred to by Webster's) Telegraphy is the long distance transmission of written messages without p= hysical transport of letters. This definition includes recent forms of data=20= transmission such as fax, email, and computer networks in general. (A telegr= aph is a machine for transmitting and receiving messages over long distances= , i.e. for telegraphy.) Radio telegraphy see above but omit wires seems to me that the generally accepted use of the term does not restrict=20= the user to Morse code I eagerly await the large increase in WSPT transmissions now that this is=20= cleared up :<)) Mark GM4ISM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 1:55 PM Subject: LF: 500 Khz modes All MF=20 To put it briefly WRC07/Radio regulations 5.82A the spectrum between 495= khz and 505 khz permits RADIOTELEGRAPHY only. I pointed this out in a previous message.=20 de Mal/G3KEV ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1860 - Release Date: 12/21/2= 008 3:08 PM ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1859 - Release Date: 12/20/200= 8 2:34 PM ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C9644B.198F8250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Handbook published for Radio Officers and i= ssued by=20 HM government states clearly what Radiotelegraphy means and Radiotelephony a= s=20 far as they are concerned. Take you argument up with them, they issue the=20 licence (OFCOM))
A professional Radio Officer DOES = ; write=20 down the messages he/her receives, they are either hand written or take= n on=20 a typewriter to be forwarded to the appropriate destination person/pers= ons.=20 In some cases the telegraphy message is printed directly onto a paper=20 tape using an undulator.
Sorry Mark that you happen to be misguided=20= on so=20 many counts.
 
De Mal/G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
Mark
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 2:1= 9=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: 500 Khz modes

Well said Mal
 
Telegraphy
Greek
Tele 'far-off'  graph =20 'writing'
Morse code actually is less 'telagraphy'=20= as the=20 end result does not by default get written (by competent cw operators= at=20 any rate)
Some definitions:-
 
Concise Oxford English
A system or device for transmitting messages from a distance.
 
Webster's
1. Communicating at a distance by electric transmiss= ion=20 over wire.
 
Wikipedia (referred to by Webster's)
Telegraphy is the long distance transmission of writ= ten=20 messages without physical transport of letters. This definition includes=20 recent forms of data transmission such as fax, email, and computer network= s in=20 general. (A telegraph is a machine for transmitting and=20 receiving messages over long distances, i.e. for telegraphy.)
 
Radio telegraphy   see above bu= t omit=20 wires
 
seems to me that the generally accepted u= se of=20 the term does not restrict the user to Morse code
I eagerly await the large increase in WSP= T=20 transmissions now that this is cleared up
 
:<))
Mark GM4ISM
 
 
----- Original Message -----
To: rsgb=
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 1= :55=20 PM
Subject: LF: 500 Khz modes

All MF
To put it briefly WRC07/Radio regulatio= ns 5.82A=20 the spectrum between 495 khz and 505 khz permits RADIOTELEGRAPHY=20 only.
I pointed this out in a previous messag= e.=20
de Mal/G3KEV
 


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