Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mp04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mp04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.193.72]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC053-86514d8655a617e; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:29:42 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 887BE38000081; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Q1OIp-0007Dj-1Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 19:28:39 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Q1OIo-0007Da-EQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 19:28:38 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q1OIm-0004E1-AL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 19:28:38 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AocBAOLxhU1cHYzu/2dsb2JhbACERIQ9jzI/jHt3iE2mE49ngSeDRXcEkFI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,216,1299456000"; d="scan'208";a="483912572" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.140.238]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 20 Mar 2011 19:28:29 +0000 Message-ID: <00cc01cbe734$fb3289a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <008001cbe71a$472d7b00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1300648453.2368.16.camel@gerhard-desktop> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 19:28:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: VLF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1484d8655a45639 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Gerhard That copper wire looks very fine guage. I have plenty of 1mm and 2mm enamelled wire also 1mm pvc insulated that should be ok tnx info de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerhard Hickl" To: Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 7:14 PM Subject: Re: LF: VLF > Hello Mal, group! > > As far as I know, Markus and Ossi both use multi layer coils. They are > very compact but with the known problems regarding insulation. I think > Markus meanwhile has also a single-layer "stack"-type...some flower pots > building a stack. > > My coil is a single layer type with variometer inside. Basically the > same design that Stefan has in use, just a bit bigger. > > It is calculated for about 100m vertical wire (=roughly 600pf, pretty > much the same as my fixed antenna has) and the inductance is about 450 > to 575mH. DC-resistance is about 140R. > > I will have to make some taps for longer wires (kite) but I had no > chance to give it a try. > > See the two pictures enclosed. > > I was transmitting from about 00:00z today until now on 8969.98 with a > break of about 90 minutes in the early afternoon. I switched to full > power roughly at 10z. The power I used before was about 6db lower in > order to maintain safety while the equipment was unattended. This > produced a nice trace on Paul's receiver. > > > 73 > OE3GHB > Gerhard > > > > > > Am Sonntag, den 20.03.2011, 16:17 +0000 schrieb mal hamilton: > > It looks like all VLF acty has ceased today. No indication about what > > is going on. > > Those using large coils to resonate kites and balloons, are these > > coils single layer or pile wound, multi layer etc > > A lot of turns would be needed for single layer and insulation > > breakdown could be a problem for pile/lump wound. > > de mal/g3kev > > > >