Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7871 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2000 23:46:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by bells.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 17 Jan 2000 23:46:09 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12ALNd-0003La-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:16:13 +0000 Received: from tk1.ihug.co.nz ([203.29.160.13] helo=smtp1.ihug.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12ALNY-0003LV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:16:09 +0000 Received: from test (p20-max7.chc.ihug.co.nz [209.77.128.148]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id MAA27201 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:15:42 +1300 Message-ID: <00c901bf6141$0b8b24a0$0200a8c0@test> From: "Dave Brown" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3.0.1.16.20000117105039.0817cf64@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> <3883D76C.E608FA8@netscapeonline.co.uk> Subject: Re: LF: Transatlantic Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:17:23 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: While it is generally correct to assume that bigger LF antennas will give better results, there is an important limiting factor that means any amateur 'pond crossing' will not necessarily benefit from blindly following such recommendations. The propagation mechanism that will be involved is not necessarily groundwave, highly unlikely in fact, and multihop skywave will I suggest be the 'prime suspect'. I think there was a thread referring to this on this reflector recently but with no archive I can't reference the discussion. That said, the use of larger verticals will not necessarily give the best takeoff angle for the relatively poor skywave that they tend to produce. Bigger ain't necessarily better in such cases. This is of course in direct conflict with 'conventional' wisdom that is based on commercial practice using groundwave only, not amateur 'limited' comms. 73 Dave ZL3FJ