Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.23]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC032-a8dc4cf6a2511ea; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 14:30:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 90F343800012B; Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PNsMs-00059V-Gz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:29:30 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PNsMr-00059M-S7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:29:29 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PNsMo-0007tU-Cu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:29:29 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjgFAAYx9kxcHY5i/2dsb2JhbACRDgOGY4sqccQXgwQIgjsEgVyMNIJY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,284,1288569600"; d="scan'208,217";a="346368147" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.142.98]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 01 Dec 2010 19:29:20 +0000 Message-ID: <00ba01cb918e$0d5ddd70$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <004201cb916a$6326d000$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><4CF685CC.6030401@telus.net><008601cb918a$f10ee270$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 19:29:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: QRS SPEED Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B7_01CB918E.0D2E41F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_EXPERIENCE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174cf6a24e6731 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01CB918E.0D2E41F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I want pictures of callsign exchanges and reports, like I can produce= for my DX QSO'S. I have seen some published information but I need to= be convinced and I have not heard the JA account of this QSO. =20 g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:18 PM Subject: Re: LF: QRS SPEED Mal, If you read the posts you will see this QSO has been very well docum= ented here on this group. 73s Roger G3XBM On 1 December 2010 19:07, mal hamilton wrote= : Om Can you please produce evidence of your JA qso. I would like to see the Argo shots of your QSO ie Callsigns in bot= h directions and reports exchanged. I can supply evidence of my DX QSO'S TA and normal CW QSO'S with= Russian stations. I and others await this information de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Tilley=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:28 PM Subject: Re: LF: QRS SPEED Mal=20 What do you know... Answer, nothing useful to this discussion. You have no experience using long dot lengths or paths outside= the small confines of EU on LF where it's easy to preach your BS as= it only works because of the density of stations... Also your preaching about much power and huge vertical antennas= is not relevant. Once you reach a certain point say the 1W ERP limit= we are all equal. So the only multipliers left is integration and ope= rator practice using long integration technologies. Alas, this is what burns you up as you have no skill in these ar= eas and when you try you end up working the neighbour's toaster oven= as your comical attempt to copy Stefan on 9KHz demonstrated... It's too bad you're the type of dog that can't be taught new tri= cks...=20 So rather than waste BW on the reflector spend some time TRYING= to work some real DX at say the 12000km or 7100km range and then post= some meaningful comments. You'll find that your worn bag of tricks= won't work. 73 Scott =20 On 12/1/2010 3:14 PM, mal hamilton wrote:=20 LF/MF Like I have said many times before. QRS speeds of 3 or 10 are= usually sufficient and maybe 30 in extreme cases but speeds of 120,= 240 and slower are not useful because of QSB and QRM hits breaking up= the trace and producing misleading results. in fact even faster CW is useful for an ID under poor or bad= fading conditions. Use as much power as possible and a good elevated antenna to= overcome path fading and qrm. QRP signals are vy prone to QSB whereas= the QRO signals make it to DX destinations. Grabbers running at vy slow speeds are not useful de mal/g3kev --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01CB918E.0D2E41F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I want pictures of callsign exchanges= and reports,=20 like I can produce for my DX QSO'S. I have seen=20 some published information but I need to be convinced and I have= not heard=20 the JA account of this QSO.
 
 
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 01,= 2010 7:18=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: QRS SPEED

Mal,

If you read the posts you will see this= QSO has=20 been very well documented here on this group.

73s
Roger=20 G3XBM

On 1 December 2010 19:07, mal hamilton <g3kev= mal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:
Om
Can you please produce evidence= of your JA=20 qso.
I would like to see the Argo shot= s of your QSO=20 ie Callsigns in both directions and reports exchanged.
I can supply evidence of my DX QS= O'S TA and=20 normal CW QSO'S with Russian stations.
I and others await this=20 information
de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Scott Tilley
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, December= 01, 2010=20 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: LF: QRS SPEE= D

Mal

What do you know... Answer, nothing= useful to=20 this discussion.

You have no experience using long dot le= ngths or=20 paths outside the small confines of EU on LF where it's easy to= preach=20 your BS as it only works because of the density of stations...
Also=20 your preaching about much power and huge vertical antennas is no= t=20 relevant.  Once you reach a certain point say the 1W ERP li= mit we are=20 all equal. So the only multipliers left is integration and opera= tor=20 practice using long integration technologies.

Alas, this= is what=20 burns you up as you have no skill in these areas and when you tr= y you end=20 up working the neighbour's toaster oven as your comical attempt= to copy=20 Stefan on 9KHz demonstrated...

It's too bad you're the ty= pe of dog=20 that can't be taught new tricks...

So rather than waste= BW on the=20 reflector spend some time TRYING to work some real DX at say the= 12000km=20 or 7100km range and then post some meaningful comments.  Yo= u'll find=20 that your worn bag of tricks won't work.

73=20 Scott




 


On 12/1/2010 3:14 PM= , mal=20 hamilton wrote:=20
LF/MF
Like I have said many times= before. QRS=20 speeds of 3 or 10 are usually sufficient and maybe 30 in extre= me cases=20 but speeds of 120, 240 and slower are not useful because of QS= B and QRM=20 hits breaking up the trace and producing misleading=20 results.
in fact even faster CW is use= ful for an ID=20 under poor or bad fading conditions.
Use as much power as possible= and a good=20 elevated antenna  to overcome path fading and qrm.= QRP signals=20 are vy prone to QSB whereas the QRO signals make it to DX=20 destinations.
Grabbers running at vy slow= speeds are not=20 useful
 
de mal/g3kev
 
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