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I want pictures of callsign exchanges and reports, like I can produce=
for my DX QSO'S. I have seen some published information but I need to=
be convinced and I have not heard the JA account of this QSO.
=20
g3kev
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Roger Lapthorn=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: LF: QRS SPEED
Mal,
If you read the posts you will see this QSO has been very well docum=
ented here on this group.
73s
Roger G3XBM
On 1 December 2010 19:07, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote=
:
Om
Can you please produce evidence of your JA qso.
I would like to see the Argo shots of your QSO ie Callsigns in bot=
h directions and reports exchanged.
I can supply evidence of my DX QSO'S TA and normal CW QSO'S with=
Russian stations.
I and others await this information
de mal/g3kev
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Scott Tilley=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: LF: QRS SPEED
Mal=20
What do you know... Answer, nothing useful to this discussion.
You have no experience using long dot lengths or paths outside=
the small confines of EU on LF where it's easy to preach your BS as=
it only works because of the density of stations...
Also your preaching about much power and huge vertical antennas=
is not relevant. Once you reach a certain point say the 1W ERP limit=
we are all equal. So the only multipliers left is integration and ope=
rator practice using long integration technologies.
Alas, this is what burns you up as you have no skill in these ar=
eas and when you try you end up working the neighbour's toaster oven=
as your comical attempt to copy Stefan on 9KHz demonstrated...
It's too bad you're the type of dog that can't be taught new tri=
cks...=20
So rather than waste BW on the reflector spend some time TRYING=
to work some real DX at say the 12000km or 7100km range and then post=
some meaningful comments. You'll find that your worn bag of tricks=
won't work.
73 Scott
=20
On 12/1/2010 3:14 PM, mal hamilton wrote:=20
LF/MF
Like I have said many times before. QRS speeds of 3 or 10 are=
usually sufficient and maybe 30 in extreme cases but speeds of 120,=
240 and slower are not useful because of QSB and QRM hits breaking up=
the trace and producing misleading results.
in fact even faster CW is useful for an ID under poor or bad=
fading conditions.
Use as much power as possible and a good elevated antenna to=
overcome path fading and qrm. QRP signals are vy prone to QSB whereas=
the QRO signals make it to DX destinations.
Grabbers running at vy slow speeds are not useful
de mal/g3kev
--=20
http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm
G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I want pictures of callsign exchanges=
and reports,=20
like I can produce for my DX QSO'S. I have seen=20
some published information but I need to be convinced and I have=
not heard=20
the JA account of this QSO.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:=
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Drogerlapthorn@gmail.com href=3D"mailto:rogerlapthorn@gmai=
l.com">Roger=20
Lapthorn</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@=
blacksheep.org href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_l=
f_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 01,=
2010 7:18=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: QRS SPEED</D=
IV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Mal,<BR><BR>If you read the posts you will see this=
QSO has=20
been very well documented here on this group.<BR><BR>73s<BR>Roger=20
G3XBM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On 1 December 2010 19:07, mal hamilton <SPA=
N dir=3Dltr><<A href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kev=
mal@talktalk.net</A>></SPAN>=20
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARG=
IN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
<DIV bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" text=3D"#000000">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Om</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Can you please produce evidence=
of your JA=20
qso.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I would like to see the Argo shot=
s of your QSO=20
ie Callsigns in both directions and reports exchanged.</FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I can supply evidence of my DX QS=
O'S TA and=20
normal CW QSO'S with Russian stations.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I and others await this=20
information</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dh5>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-L=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </D=
IV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228); FONT: 10pt arial"><B=
>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dsthed475@telus.net href=3D"mailto:sthed475@telus.net"=
target=3D_blank>Scott Tilley</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drs=
gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org" target=3D_blank>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> </D=
IV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December=
01, 2010=20
5:28 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: QRS SPEE=
D</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Mal <BR><BR>What do you know... Answer, nothing=
useful to=20
this discussion.<BR><BR>You have no experience using long dot le=
ngths or=20
paths outside the small confines of EU on LF where it's easy to=
preach=20
your BS as it only works because of the density of stations...<B=
R><BR>Also=20
your preaching about much power and huge vertical antennas is no=
t=20
relevant. Once you reach a certain point say the 1W ERP li=
mit we are=20
all equal. So the only multipliers left is integration and opera=
tor=20
practice using long integration technologies.<BR><BR>Alas, this=
is what=20
burns you up as you have no skill in these areas and when you tr=
y you end=20
up working the neighbour's toaster oven as your comical attempt=
to copy=20
Stefan on 9KHz demonstrated...<BR><BR>It's too bad you're the ty=
pe of dog=20
that can't be taught new tricks... <BR><BR>So rather than waste=
BW on the=20
reflector spend some time TRYING to work some real DX at say the=
12000km=20
or 7100km range and then post some meaningful comments. Yo=
u'll find=20
that your worn bag of tricks won't work.<BR><BR>73=20
Scott<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> <BR><BR><BR>On 12/1/2010 3:14 PM=
, mal=20
hamilton wrote:=20
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>LF/MF</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Like I have said many times=
before. QRS=20
speeds of 3 or 10 are usually sufficient and maybe 30 in extre=
me cases=20
but speeds of 120, 240 and slower are not useful because of QS=
B and QRM=20
hits breaking up the trace and producing misleading=20
results.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>in fact even faster CW is use=
ful for an ID=20
under poor or bad fading conditions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Use as much power as possible=
and a good=20
elevated antenna to overcome path fading and qrm.=
QRP signals=20
are vy prone to QSB whereas the QRO signals make it to DX=20
destinations.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Grabbers running at vy slow=
speeds are not=20
useful</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></DIV><=
/BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear=3Dall><BR>-- <BR><A href=3D"http:/=
/g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/" target=3D_blank>http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspo=
t.com/</A><BR><A href=3D"http://www.g3xbm.co.uk" target=3D_blank>h=
ttp://www.g3xbm.co.uk</A><BR><A href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/use=
r/g3xbm" target=3D_blank>http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm</A><BR>=
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