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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan If you are in contact with Martin maybe you could inform him that grabber has 'hung'. Think Bob judges 'success' by number of spots X number of different receiving station ... sort of like contest scoring ;~) [...] Content analysis details: (3.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [76.96.62.24 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jrusgrove[at]comcast.net) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 3.6 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: ecf102e6d15c1e466f357d5e6d956ac3 Subject: Re: LF: Re: WD2XNS in YV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AD_01CDD784.7EB44250" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : comcast.net DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600950c747c35af6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01CDD784.7EB44250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan If you are in contact with Martin maybe you could inform him that = grabber has 'hung'. Think Bob judges 'success' by number of spots X = number of different receiving station ... sort of like contest scoring = ;~) Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2=20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:34 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: WD2XNS in YV Hi Warren,=20 You may also forward the latest email to him, that one which shows = Jay's results and the link to the grabber and so on. Tnx, 73, Stefan Am 11.12.2012 15:17, schrieb Warren Ziegler:=20 Stefan,=20 I forwarded your message to Bob W2ZM (WE2XEB, WE2XGR/6) to see = if wants to try QRSS on 137. Bob has had trouble getting signed up with this rsgb list (maybe an = ISP problem?) so I have been forwarding messages from and to him. 73 Warren K2ORS On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Stefan Sch=E4fer = wrote: Jay, LF, Am 10.12.2012 17:21, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net: [...] Care to share the details of the setup? Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 Martin has a 80m long wire in maybe 8m above ground. This wire is = resonated to LF and transformed to the RX input impedance by using a = ferrite rod. A separate LF earth is used. The RX is that one by JA8SCD, = http://icas.to/lineup/idc-136-kit-eng.htm (also used by TF3HZ and DU1GM = and others). He also has a tuned loop antenna with about 8 square meters = cross section area. I guess its mostly beaming to NE/SW. Furthermore he = built a E-H-combiner to optimise the SNR even more. There was a 3 dB = improvement in some of the tests. I don't know exactly what he is using these days but i guess the = system is not particularly optimised for best US reception. Maybe there = could be a few dB more S/N... What about WE2XEB? Is that not a motivating goal for him to leave = traces in SA, using traditional QRSS or DFCW? He would surely make that = distance, not to talk about EU receivers... 73, Stefan/DK7FC --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ=20 WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01CDD784.7EB44250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan
 
If you are in contact with Martin maybe = you could=20 inform him that grabber has 'hung'. Think Bob judges 'success' by = number of=20 spots X number of different receiving station ... sort of like contest = scoring=20 ;~)
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS =20 WE2XGR/2 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, = 2012 9:34=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: WD2XNS in = YV

Hi Warren,

You may also forward the latest = email to=20 him, that one which shows Jay's results and the link to the grabber = and so=20 on.

Tnx, 73, Stefan

Am 11.12.2012 15:17, schrieb Warren = Ziegler:=20 Stefan,=20
    I forwarded your message to Bob W2ZM (WE2XEB, = WE2XGR/6)=20 to see if wants to try QRSS on 137.
Bob has had trouble getting signed up with this rsgb list = (maybe an ISP=20 problem?) so I have been forwarding messages from and to him.

73 Warren K2ORS



On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Stefan = Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>=20 wrote:
Jay,=20 LF,

Am 10.12.2012 17:21, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net:
[...]=20 Care to share the details of the setup?

Jay W1VD =  WD2XNS=20  WE2XGR/2

Martin has a 80m long wire in = maybe 8m=20 above ground. This wire is resonated to LF and transformed to the = RX input=20 impedance by using a ferrite rod. A separate LF earth is used. The = RX is=20 that one by JA8SCD, http://icas.to/lineup/idc-136-kit-eng.htm=20  (also used by TF3HZ and DU1GM and others). He also has a = tuned loop=20 antenna with about 8 square meters cross section area. I guess its = mostly=20 beaming to NE/SW. Furthermore he built a E-H-combiner to optimise = the SNR=20 even more. There was a 3 dB improvement in some of the tests.
I = don't=20 know exactly what he is using these days but i guess the system is = not=20 particularly optimised for best US reception. Maybe there could be = a few=20 dB more S/N...

What about WE2XEB? Is that not a motivating = goal for=20 him to leave traces in SA, using traditional QRSS or DFCW? He = would surely=20 make that distance, not to talk about EU receivers...

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC




--
73 Warren K2ORS
        =  =20       WD2XGJ
          =  =20     WD2XSH/23
            =  =20   WE2XEB/2
              =  =20 = WE2XGR/1

 
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