Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.22]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA052-86154d6ed094c1; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 18:19:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3FF4338000102; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PuvJk-0003Dm-Fs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:18:52 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PuvJj-0003Dd-Tu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:18:51 +0000 Received: from nm14.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.67]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PuvJi-00081T-JU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:18:51 +0000 Received: from [77.238.189.55] by nm14.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2011 23:18:44 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.116] by tm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2011 23:18:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2011 23:18:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 739246.70080.bm@omp1025.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 22727 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2011 23:18:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=xriYa3+khXDs0WWxoU86ejDqM/vl5oe9suWycyGSyIQtFT3bu8wY7qWJWpVlYxiJ0L/BbcfCX7ceYt05TIK/CgMMfnpMMVPSBJuHMFFfzfM/3D1DD9C3G/nz4LZwWqRomjLMEDK63Bf4kwyoCQX8Aoq738u1M8j7hUKr0GavL8g= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1299107924; bh=4GY4sSYOwyBDXrVGjPOf7Atbiv/ijq11Fa6SIXu7vU4=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=z4SlhjZBsQEAmsLVx6XcAWmqOvt//WVt5xXKzOfV+1gJfDavTyNHrAoTzzUI0dpRJbL8FAEy1+Vzoq/siCdf/OxuWjyvt9JAZKu7eaJIP/gVHyJ8MbAB+CJg0ZCnSgpK43H+S4V3a1L+x01Ujs1fAsXvjJorMk09qwSjfOYmzxA= Received: from lark (alan.melia@86.130.21.55 with login) by smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Mar 2011 23:18:41 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: fpz.2VeswBBs59bVshRPmMN51lcO2lgFRIvE4XTqE8dRwOxd70E- X-YMail-OSG: b4qO9sMVM1nOaJ7xCpqmXXELHIauhlOXTi_VMdnl1a1tuBI k_rJKuu4P_3m_x14SRHqtFJvqn0kvrGRF0yMeC4XezRTzL_BmRiFRYFMOU8t yrBgB0DRfC6xzeaw5hPHqxuOxVJQ0idPVNEaHi.KSsUkZAV1zM4K..EuZUy4 P9M40MEJ9DqV_gXImTDQ.hFnVTuBeRunhvqT1GzWr8Ssw1VIF1AitNz6U8se LIhRaOMidfVc75KZpTbYranQNHJmtW6if9ygVQyd49itaaR6pfSNBeEV_flb qgh8FJJPZd07.IA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <00ae01cbd930$2ea27f10$4001a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 23:18:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.2001 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.2001 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110302-1, 02/03/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Corona Discharge - how to prevent ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m207.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60164d6ed0932002 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none You thinking of going into Pawnbroking Tracey :-)) Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracey Gardner" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 10:59 PM Subject: Re: LF: Corona Discharge - how to prevent ? I recall that you can get copper cistern ball floats in various sizes, as large as 12 inches diameter, would that be of any use? Regards Tracey ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 10:26 PM Subject: Re: LF: Corona Discharge - how to prevent ? Thanks Alan , John. Yes that seems to be the solution , may be a ball would do the same thing ?.. I was wrangling with the charge distribution angle .. as to the best way , assuming a sharp point on the ring would still produce the same corona ? The double stacked ring looked a good idea , but is only in 'one plane' what happens at 90 deg ie in front and behind ... ? The tube has possibilities, I have some copper brake pipe , that should do the job ..... Pity to quench it, it looks quite impressive in the night ! , (not sure what its doing to the local medium wave reception though...) tnx - G.. From: Graham Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 8:32 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Corona Discharge - how to prevent ? Corona Discharge - how to prevent ? Running into corona problems with a small loaded antenna , terminating as a wire at the far end Q has any one addressed this problem and found a suitable solution ? Apparently more prevalent on 136 khz , this is presenting on 500k , I can find reference to rounded objects and rings , one being two sets of ring's the second being insulated to reduce the v/mm stress , but these where part of a high voltage insulator with the far end earthed , not so in this case, the wire ends in free space .. Increasing the surface area will distribute the charge , but will not reduce the stress as this is a generated field as opposed to a static build up ? Links / ides ? Tnx - Graham .. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- No virus found in this message. 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