Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 015F938000089; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:34:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1S250j-00062j-Ki for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:09:21 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1S250i-00062V-OK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:09:20 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1S250g-0003h4-Be for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:09:20 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuALANzFS09cF/ZD/2dsb2JhbAA7CIJRmmoDlS8CgQSBCIFuBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDEQMBAQEKJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYd5uCyJD2UCgS6BVQkKBAEKBgdaDAGFAA8zChAFFwGDLQSCXYp5kn6HV4FU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,492,1325462400"; d="scan'208,217";a="386482294" Received: from host-92-23-246-67.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.246.67]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 27 Feb 2012 18:09:11 +0000 Message-ID: <00a501ccf57a$e7678c40$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <74845C11BC3444D79B63A207E428BDE0@lindavideo> <1330355744.14411.YahooMailNeo@web171610.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1147541919-1330357838-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1778030180-@b27.c11.bise7.blackberry> <008b01ccf56f$30ed8830$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1255483701-1330361711-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-999683667-@b27.c11.bise7.blackberry> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:09:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: NDBs & WRC-12 LF band allocation Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A2_01CCF57A.E7226CF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:461135904:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864f4bccaf5fcf X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01CCF57A.E7226CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ken=20 17wpm is respectable but needs improving. Aim for 25 Some others that I have been listening to on both LF es MF for years = have not improved and they are still struggling at the novice speed of = less than 12 wpm. One problem on LF/MF is the ability to RX. Around EU = some produce good TX signals but have no EARS or simply do not listen.=20 g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ken.h.wright@btinternet.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 4:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: NDBs & WRC-12 LF band allocation Hi Mal. I must really try to get my speed up to 20wpm at present it is = about 17wpm. I actually do prefer CW but am limited by my slow speed. 73 = Ken. M0KHW Sent from my BlackBerry=AE wireless device -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: "mal hamilton" =20 Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:45:19 -0000 To: ReplyTo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: NDBs & WRC-12 LF band allocation Ken I would suggest that those interested in the new MF band start = brushing up on their CW. I have a couple of nice ex USAF mf RECEIVERS for this beacon band. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ken.h.wright@btinternet.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: NDBs & WRC-12 LF band allocation About 3 miles even better I have a row of high vis solar lights in = the garden. On a more serious note I can see many problems on this new = to me it looks as it was done in a last minute rush to get something out = without looking for the unintended consequences. 73 ken M0KHW=20 Sent from my BlackBerry=AE wireless device -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: M0FMT =20 Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:15:44 +0000 (GMT) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ReplyTo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: NDBs & WRC-12 LF band allocation Just you watch out Ken ... first key down on the new band, check out = of your living room window for an Easy Jet in frontal silhouette, wheels = down and locked with flaps set to 15 degrees trying to touch down in = your front garden...... not too far from Luton AP are you? 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: John Rabson To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, 27 February 2012, 10:23 Subject: LF: NDBs & WRC-12 LF band allocation Ken,=20 Unless there is a strong operational requirement, I suspect it will = depend on the running costs. 73 John F5VLF On 27 Feb 2012, at 11:06CET, Ken wrote: Dear all LFs With the WRC-12 new LF band allocation is it possible that any = dormant NDBs there will be resurrected to justify their slot in the = band? 73s Ken M0KHW ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01CCF57A.E7226CF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ken
17wpm is respectable but needs improving. Aim = for=20 25
Some others that I have been listening to on = both LF es MF=20 for years have not improved and they are still struggling at the = novice=20 speed of less than 12 wpm. One problem on LF/MF is the ability to RX. = Around EU=20 some produce good TX signals but have no EARS or simply do not = listen.=20
 
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ken.h.wright@btinternet.com=20
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 = 4:56=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: NDBs & = WRC-12 LF=20 band allocation

Hi Mal. I must really try to get my speed up to 20wpm = at=20 present it is about 17wpm. I actually do prefer CW but am limited by = my slow=20 speed. 73 Ken. M0KHW
Sent from my BlackBerry=AE wireless device
From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> =
Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org=20
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:45:19 -0000
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >
ReplyTo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: NDBs & WRC-12 LF band = allocation

Ken
I would suggest that those interested in the = new MF band=20 start brushing up on their CW.
I have a couple of nice ex USAF mf RECEIVERS = for this=20 beacon band.
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ken.h.wright@btinternet.com=20
Sent: Monday, February 27, = 2012 3:52=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: NDBs & = WRC-12 LF=20 band allocation

About 3 miles even better I have a row of high vis = solar=20 lights in the garden. On a more serious note I can see many problems = on this=20 new to me it looks as it was done in a last minute rush to get = something out=20 without looking for the unintended consequences. 73 ken M0KHW=20
Sent from my BlackBerry=AE wireless device
From: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org=20
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:15:44 +0000 (GMT)
To:=20 = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
ReplyTo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: NDBs & WRC-12 LF band = allocation

 
Just you watch out Ken ... first key down = on the=20 new band, check out of your living room window for an Easy Jet in frontal silhouette, wheels down and locked with flaps set = to 15=20 degrees trying to touch down in your front garden...... not too far = from=20 Luton AP are you?

73 es GL Pete = M0FMT=20 IO91UX
From:=20 John Rabson <john.rabson@numeo.fr>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, 27 = February=20 2012, 10:23
Subject: LF:=20 NDBs & WRC-12 LF band allocation

Ken,=20

Unless there is a strong operational requirement, I suspect it = will=20 depend on the running costs.

73
John F5VLF

On 27 Feb 2012, at 11:06CET, Ken wrote:
Dear all=20 LFs
 
With the WRC-12 new = LF band=20 allocation is it possible that any dormant NDBs there will be = resurrected=20 to justify their slot in the band?
 
73s
 
Ken
 
M0KHW


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