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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:18:25 +0100
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Subject: LF: Re: Please can we stop moaning now?
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Hi John, LF,

Well said John !!!

I was tempted to reply with a short statement to Mal's original "moan" so I 
will make that statement now.

"Very narrow minded attitude"

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Pumford-Green GM4SLV" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 7:29 PM
Subject: LF: Please can we stop moaning now?


> On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:48:21 -0000
> "hamilton mal" <g3kev.ham@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>> If u are restricted to BEACON MODE end of story.
>> Some UK stations inflict themselves with BEACON MODE when they are
>> permitted to have two way communications.This does not make sense.
>> We need two way communications for real time assessment of
>> propagation and not ONE WAY.
>> Some argue that they get reports from all around the world while in
>> BEACON mode but forget to mention that they would get the same
>> reports if they were in QSO.I often get reports from near and far
>> while in QSO mode. I would suggest a licence for BEACONS only in a
>> selected part of the 500 khz band, like the German system and another
>> for real  communications by real radio amateurs preferably using the
>> traditional marine method of CW. G3KEV
>
> Sorry Mal, but I don't understand.
>
> How can one get a signal report, in a 2-way QSO on 500kHz, from OH, DL,
> F, EA, LA and various non-NoV G stations? They can't operate on 500kHz.
>
> Cross-band QSOs are no good - after all that would still be only ONE WAY
> on 500 so a reception report of hearing a beacon is just as valid as a
> cross-band QSO.
>
>
> If I'm in a position to operate I will call CQ and listen for other
> CQs. I've lost count of the CQs I've answered without being heard.
> There are a lot of people out there that stuggle to receinve weak
> signals due to their local noise floors.
>
> I answer every station I hear, until I become convinced that they can't
> hear me, for whatever reason and then give up, making a mental note to
> try again if they are ever heard again at a better strength.
>
>
> But if I can't be at the key then I see no harm in radiating a signal
> for others to use. I presume that when you're not sending CQ on 502.5
> that you are on other bands, persuing other interests? Leaving dead
> stony silence on 500.
>
> I'd rather give something back for others so I sometimes send a beacon,
> but more usually I make available my receiving setup for others to use,
> via my grabber.
>
> I also have live streaming audio from my receiver available via the
> internet, but I'm not revealing here how to receive it! Anyone who
> wants to know can contact me directly.
>
> These things are done as a service to others in the 500kHz community.
>
> Better to be doing something useful while waiting for CW QSOs or
> building gear to improve ones own station, than to sit there bashing
> out terse emails deriding "appliance operators" and the inadequate
> CW skills of the active NoV holders.
>
> As I said previously "I have had over 50 QSOs,with at least 9 stations,
> all in CW and all hand sent". I have never tried to work RTTY or PSK (I
> tried to receive some as a help to someone else).
>
> Am I unique in that my NoV actually states "A1A, CW" as the ONLY
> permitted mode?
>
>
> I don't restrict myself to BEACON MODE. However - how am I going to
> know if a fleeting opening to W or VE occurs at 3am without some form
> of pre-arranged overnight beacon. I can't sit bashing away at the key
> overnight, I have a full time job to hold down.
>
> I never even call CQ with any form of memory keyer - all my CW is live,
> hand sent morse.
>
>
> Please stop this "BEACONS BAD - CW GOOD" nonesense. Anything that helps
> anyone get something new and educational from access to this part of
> the spectrum should be applauded.
>
> I have absolutely no interst in working the "flavour of the month
> DXpedition" on HF, nor of gaining DXCC/WAS/WAC or any other "stamp
> collecting" award.
>
> I'm interested in building/improving my station in order to have REAL
> CW QSOs. I have had many long chats, oftern of well over an hour long,
> in CW on 500, despite shocking conditions and the ridiculous power
> restrictions, during which I've done some real and interesting tests -
> eg reducing TX power to 50mW - no rubber stamp "599 pse agn ur name
> qth" QSO here.
>
>
>
> John GM4SLV
> IP90GG
> Clousta, Shetland
>
>
>