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[86.134.203.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z5sm10693957bkv.11.2012.12.21.09.03.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:03:33 -0800 (PST) From: Terry GW0EZY To: References: <676C5093-3A16-4528-85CD-46FAD16ADDD3@dk8kw.de> <1356093445.18051.YahooMailNeo@web133203.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <50D45DF1.3030109@darc.de> <1356107788.4835.YahooMailNeo@web133204.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1356107788.4835.YahooMailNeo@web133204.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:03:31 -0000 Message-ID: <00a001cddf9d$1bc383b0$534a8b10$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac3fmd6HBwCn1FWtR5G10f+6tf5NMgAAwG/w Content-Language: en-gb X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQle3vqpIJbgFZfNibhdJ1vCrb7IVFnjpBvCTBSiT7iY992MxNgnbzAKjBKlrUN+IA6yd2Cim5mkrRLkQqKKNEKe519LAar5KJo3KQiqmcTVuZ+uopDNe5v10XC/m0mXpfUBpNUMhNF8KwMQCGtRLYIeDWC0S/yJ3fuWBilPoEGZWRL2Oani3nuB93fk+znhIKY10hu6 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Try FreeDV - the Windows modem and Codec2 implementation. http://freedv.org/tiki-index.php 73 Terry [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.52 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: bb13d668bd6c56d236c8970bb5dcbf33 Subject: RE: LF: Re: 477 NOV What Modes ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A1_01CDDF9D.1BC383B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d618850d49b0e1e79 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01CDDF9D.1BC383B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try FreeDV - the Windows modem and Codec2 implementation. http://freedv.org/tiki-index.php 73 Terry From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 21 December 2012 16:36 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: 477 NOV What Modes ? Hi Stephan That is not entirely what had in mind but impressive ..... I want one! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Endemann To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, 21 December 2012, 13:02 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 477 NOV What Modes ? Hi Pete and Geri, Codec2 might be a viable medium term solution for real-time compression of speech for narrow band communication (http://codec2.org/). There is also an interesting presentation about Codec2 by David Rowe on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsywWf8dQgU 73 Stefan, DJ2SEA -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: LF: Re: 477 NOV What Modes ? From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri Dec 21 2012 13:37:25 GMT+0100 > Hi again Geri > > I remember the SM stns using normal SSB on a beacon QRG 505 +/-. a > couple of years ago but not compressed. > > I was thinking that there must be a method or algorithm that has a look > up table of "diphones" and is able to utilise the repetitive sounds, > spaces and diphones of the language in use (hard luck German has over > 2500 Spanish has 800). Thus a real time narrow band communication > channel carrying only pointing data would result. The outcome will > probably be a cross between Donald Duck and Stephen Hawking in a channel > of a few Hz? Any mileage (sorry Kilometreage) in the idea? > Just thought to make the sound like the sender there could be a real > time slowed down session of key words to build the diphone library prior > to the contact so the following QSO would sound nearly normal. This > library would build over time so the system training would only need one > session for a particular stn then on future QSOs a call sign entry would > only be needed...... better stop now I am scaring myself. Maybe get it > all on one PIC...... not? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_synthesis > > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > *From:* Holger 'Geri' DK8KW DI2BO W1KW > *To:* "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > *Cc:* "" > *Sent:* Friday, 21 December 2012, 11:16 > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: 477 NOV What Modes ? > > Markus and I once had a successful "Slow SSB" QSO on 137 kHz years > ago in our German 800 Hz bandwidth limitation. We slowed down normal > voice four times, transmitted it over SSB and expanded it again by > reversing the process ... using the full 7 kHz would make a fine AM > signal, indeed ... perhaps even a low deviation FM signal would do? > > Be creative, by 73 > > Geri, DK8KW > > m > On 21.12.2012, at 10:34, "Chris" > wrote: > >> All modes, as per the licence and 136/7 band. >> Roger, yes, a couple of us are thinking about some QRP AM across >> town (subject to non QRM to other locals), and why not? >> Some sort of agreed band plan would be helpful ASAP as well. >> My two NoVs were dated 20th. December, but it does say 'Date of >> Issue', which isn't the same as 'Date of Commencement', 'With >> Effect From' or whatever. It was clear from the Ofcom site where >> the link was that the NoV comes into effect on 1st. January. >> Vy 73, Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Graham >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 20, 2012 5:04 PM >> *Subject:* LF: 477 NOV What Modes ? >> >> Starting 1/1/13 .. but What Modes non listed , only >> the power ?? >> >> G.. >> > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01CDDF9D.1BC383B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Try FreeDV – the Windows modem and Codec2 = implementation.

 

http://freedv.org/tiki-index.php

 

73 Terry

 

From:= = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of = M0FMT
Sent: 21 December 2012 16:36
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Re: 477 NOV What = Modes ?

 

Hi = Stephan

 <= /span>

That is not = entirely what had in mind but impressive ..... I want = one!

 <= /span>

73 es GL Pete = M0FMT IO91UX

F= rom: = Stefan Endemann <dj2sea@darc.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Sent: Friday, 21 December 2012, 13:02
Subject: = Re: LF: Re: 477 NOV What Modes ?


Hi Pete and Geri,

Codec2 might be a = viable medium term solution for real-time compression
of speech for = narrow band communication (http://codec2.org/).

There is also an = interesting presentation about Codec2 by David Rowe on
youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DKsywWf8dQgU
73 Stefan, DJ2SEA

-------- Original Message  = --------
Subject: Re: LF: Re: 477  NOV  What Modes  = ?
From: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >
Date: Fri Dec 21 2012 13:37:25 GMT+0100

> Hi again = Geri
> 
> I remember the SM stns using normal SSB on a = beacon QRG 505 +/-. a
> couple of years ago but not = compressed.
> 
> I was thinking that there must be a = method or algorithm that has a look
> up table of = "diphones" and is able to utilise the repetitive = sounds,
> spaces and diphones of the language in use (hard luck = German has over
> 2500 Spanish has 800). Thus a real time narrow = band communication
> channel carrying only pointing data would = result. The outcome will
> probably be a cross between Donald Duck = and Stephen Hawking in a channel
> of a few Hz? Any mileage (sorry = Kilometreage) in the idea?
> Just thought to make the sound like = the sender there could be a real
> time slowed down session of key = words to build the diphone library prior
> to the contact so the = following QSO would sound nearly normal. This
> library would = build over time so the system training would only need one
> = session for a particular stn then on future QSOs a call sign entry = would
> only be needed...... better stop now I am scaring myself. = Maybe get it
> all on one PIC...... not?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_synthesis
&g= t; 
> 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
>
>  =   *From:* Holger 'Geri' DK8KW DI2BO W1KW <geri@dk8kw.de>
>    = *To:* "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= " <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >
>    *Cc:* "<rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >
>    *Sent:* Friday, 21 December 2012, = 11:16
>    *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: 477 NOV What Modes = ?
>
>    Markus and I once had a successful = "Slow SSB" QSO on 137 kHz years
>    ago in = our German 800 Hz bandwidth limitation. We slowed down = normal
>    voice four times, transmitted it over SSB = and expanded it again by
>    reversing the process ... = using the full 7 kHz would make a fine AM
>    signal, = indeed ... perhaps even a low deviation FM signal would do?
> =
>    Be creative, by 73
>
>    = Geri, DK8KW
>
>    m
>    On = 21.12.2012, at 10:34, "Chris" <c.ashby435@btinternet.com>    <mailto:c.ashby435@btinternet.com&g= t;> wrote:
>
>>    All modes, as per the = licence and 136/7 band.
>>    Roger, yes, a couple of = us are thinking about some QRP AM across
>>    town = (subject to non QRM to other locals), and why not?
>>  =   Some sort of agreed band plan would be helpful ASAP as = well.
>>    My two NoVs were dated 20th. December, = but it does say 'Date of
>>    Issue', which isn't = the same as 'Date of Commencement', 'With
>>    = Effect From' or whatever. It was clear from the Ofcom site = where
>>    the link was that the NoV comes into = effect on 1st. January.
>>    Vy 73, Chris, G4AYT, = Whitstable, Kent.
>>
>>        = ----- Original Message -----
>>        = *From:* Graham <mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>>>        *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
>>        <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >
>>        *Sent:* Thursday, = December 20, 2012 5:04 PM
>>        = *Subject:* LF: 477 NOV What Modes ?
>>
>>    =     Starting  1/1/13  .. but    What = Modes  non  listed , only 
>>    =     the  power ??
>>        =  
>>        G..
>>
> =
>
>     
> =

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