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Content preview: But the same thing has been happening on here for years. Those
shouting most and expression opinions about LF and MF are never heard on
the bands. They are very verbal on the reflector but absent on both LF and
MF when it comes to generating signals or engaging in QSO activity. There
are a few of us active daily around EU working on CW, the other few are machine
minders generating repeative Unattended BEACONS on Data and getting reports
via Internet database. These Beacon bashers are unaware what is happening
on adjacent frequencies since the only criteria is DIAL FREQUENCY which never
changes and these absent operators are not in a position to express an opinion
about Band Planning for other modes like CW or QRSS As far as I am concerned
there is already a BAND PLAN in operation by the Data operators specifying
a DIAL FREQUENCY for their modes WSPR and OPERA for example. CW Operators
do not need a band plan because the mode is easily recognized and can fit
into any available space on any band. Find a clear frequency call CQ or net
onto someone else, make a call and have a QSO Some sort of band plan might
be desireable for Appliance Operators so they can start an orchestral concert
on a given frequencies and get the time SYNC right for the Violins g3kev
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But the same thing has been happening on here for years. Those shouting =
most and expression opinions about LF and MF are never heard on the =
bands. They are very verbal on the reflector but absent on both LF and =
MF when it comes to generating signals or engaging in QSO activity.
There are a few of us active daily around EU working on CW, the other =
few are machine minders generating repeative Unattended BEACONS on Data =
and getting reports via Internet database. These Beacon bashers are =
unaware what is happening on adjacent frequencies since the only =
criteria is DIAL FREQUENCY which never changes and these absent =
operators are not in a position to express an opinion about Band =
Planning for other modes like CW or QRSS
As far as I am concerned there is already a BAND PLAN in operation by =
the Data operators specifying a DIAL FREQUENCY for their modes WSPR and =
OPERA for example. CW Operators do not need a band plan because the mode =
is easily recognized and can fit into any available space on any band. =
Find a clear frequency call CQ or net onto someone else, make a call and =
have a QSO
Some sort of band plan might be desireable for Appliance Operators so =
they can start an orchestral concert on a given frequencies
and get the time SYNC right for the Violins
g3kev
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik Strobbe=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk ; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:09 PM
Subject: LF: RE: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: NRRL Proposal for a 630m Band =
Plan
Robert, Toni, all,
the urge to regulate seems stronger that the need to listen to =
opinions of the band users ;-)
I will advice the UBA HF manager how to respond (and eventually vote) =
on this proposal, preferably based on a position supported by the =
majority of the actual band users.
I hope other can do so within their society.
To get the discussion started, my (personal) opinion:
At this moment it is far too early for a rigid band plan as proposed =
by NRRL, but a recommendation with a list of centre of activity =
frequencies for the different modes could be useful.
73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T
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Van: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk [rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk] =
namens robert_la4ana [la4ana73@yahoo.com]
Verzonden: zondag 10 februari 2013 15:16
To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk
Onderwerp: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: NRRL Proposal for a 630m Band Plan
=20
Hi Toni and LF/MF Group,
As promised, I have been in contact with the NRRL representative
responsible for initiating this proposal, our HF Manager LA4LN. I
communicated to him the general opinion of the MF community about the
proposed band plan, indicating that it is too early for rulemaking. In
addition, I said that such a proposal should be discussed with the =
users
(in this case just a handfull in Norway) before any suggestions for
rulemaking are forwarded to the IARU.
The NRRL HF Manager responded by saying that this proposal was
coordinated with IARU Region 1 HF Chairman DK4VW, who welcomed such a
proposal. Both officials feel that it is important to discuss
frequency/mode issues for 630 meter at the the forthcoming Vienna
meeting in April because of the long lead times (years) required for
gaining approval to new plans.
Whichever way we feel about a bandplan for 630 meter, it is important =
to
inform our representatives about this before the issue is discussed at
the meeting in Vienna.
73 de Robert, LA4ANA
--- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Anton (Toni)" wrote:
>
> NRRL is proposing a band plan for 630m
> What do you think about it?
> 73 de Toni, HB9ASB
>
> Recommendation
> From the viewpoints of NRRL we would (at the time being) like to
present the
> following proposal for a 630 m IARU Region 1 bandplan:
> 472 - 479 kHz (630 m)
> 472 - 475 kHz CW only =96 maximum bandwidth 200 Hz
> 472.000 - 472.150 CW Beacons only (IARU coordinated)
> 472.150 - 472.300 CW QRSS
> 472.600 CW DX Calling
> 474.750 CW Calling
> 475 - 479 kHz CW + digimodes =96 maximum bandwidth 500 Hz
> Contests should be discouraged in this very narrow 630 m band where
radio
> amateurs are secondary users.
> Comment:
> NRRL feels that it will be premature to further subdivide different
digimodes. This
> may be better to do at the next conference, if necessary, after
considering
> experiences.
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>But the same thing has been happening on here =
for years.=20
Those shouting most and expression opinions about LF and MF are never =
heard on=20
the bands. They are very verbal on the reflector but absent on both LF =
and MF=20
when it comes to generating signals or engaging in QSO =
activity.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>There are a few of us active daily around EU =
working on=20
CW, the other few are machine minders generating =
repeative=20
Unattended BEACONS</FONT><FONT face=3DArial> on Data and =
getting=20
reports via Internet database. These Beacon bashers are unaware what is=20
happening on adjacent frequencies since the only criteria is DIAL =
FREQUENCY=20
which never changes and these absent operators are not in a position to =
express=20
an opinion about Band Planning for other modes like CW or =
QRSS</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>As far as I am concerned there is =
already a BAND=20
PLAN in operation by the Data operators specifying a DIAL FREQUENCY =
for=20
their modes WSPR and OPERA for example. CW Operators do =
not need=20
a band plan because the mode is easily recognized and can fit into =
any=20
available space on any band. Find a clear frequency call CQ or net onto =
someone=20
else, make a call and have a QSO</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Some sort of band plan might be desireable for =
Appliance=20
Operators so they can start an orchestral concert on a given=20
frequencies</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>and get the time SYNC right for the =
Violins</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DRik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be=20
href=3D"mailto:Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be">Rik Strobbe</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Drsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk">rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups=
.co.uk</A>=20
; <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 10, 2013 =
3:09=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: RE: =
[rsgb_lf_group] Re: NRRL=20
Proposal for a 630m Band Plan</DIV>
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<P><FONT size=3D2>Robert, Toni, all,</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>the urge<A></A>=20
=
to regulate<A></A> seems<A></A> stronger<A></A> that<=
A></A>=20
the need<A></A> to listen to opinions<A></A> of the=20
band users<A></A> ;-)</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>I will<A></A> advice<A></A> =
the UBA<A></A> HF=20
manager how<A></A> to respond<A></A> =
(and eventually<A></A>=20
vote<A></A>) on<A></A> this<A></A>=20
=
proposal<A></A>, preferably<A></A> based<A></A> on<A></A> =
a position<A></A> supported<A></A> by<A></A>=20
the majority<A></A> of the actual<A></A> band=20
users<A></A>.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>I hope other<A></A> can<A></A>=20
do so<A></A> within<A></A> their<A></A> =
society.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>To get<A></A> the discussion<A></A>=20
started<A></A>, my<A></A> (personal<A></A>) =
opinion<A></A>:</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>At this<A></A> moment it<A></A>=20
is far<A></A> too<A></A> early<A></A> for<A></A>=20
a rigid<A></A> band plan as proposed<A></A> by<A></A>=20
NRRL<A></A>, but<A></A> =
a recommendation<A></A> with<A></A> a=20
list of centre<A></A>=20
of activity<A></A> frequencies<A></A> for<A></A> the =
different=20
modes could<A></A> be<A></A> useful<A></A>.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>73, Rik ON7YD<A></A> - =
OR7T<A></A></FONT></P>
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[rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk] namens robert_la4ana=20
[la4ana73@yahoo.com]<BR><B>Verzonden:</B> zondag 10 februari 2013=20
15:16<BR><B>To:</B> =
rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk<BR><B>Onderwerp:</B>=20
[rsgb_lf_group] Re: NRRL Proposal for a 630m Band =
Plan<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P><BR>Hi Toni and LF/MF Group,<BR><BR>As promised, I have been in =
contact=20
with the NRRL representative<BR>responsible for initiating this =
proposal, our=20
HF Manager LA4LN. I<BR>communicated to him the general opinion of the =
MF=20
community about the<BR>proposed band plan, indicating that it is too =
early for=20
rulemaking. In<BR>addition, I said that such a proposal should be =
discussed=20
with the users<BR>(in this case just a handfull in Norway) before any=20
suggestions for<BR>rulemaking are forwarded to the IARU.<BR><BR>The =
NRRL HF=20
Manager responded by saying that this proposal was<BR>coordinated with =
IARU=20
Region 1 HF Chairman DK4VW, who welcomed such a<BR>proposal. Both =
officials=20
feel that it is important to discuss<BR>frequency/mode issues for 630 =
meter at=20
the the forthcoming Vienna<BR>meeting in April because of the long =
lead times=20
(years) required for<BR>gaining approval to new =
plans.<BR><BR>Whichever way we=20
feel about a bandplan for 630 meter, it is important to<BR>inform our=20
representatives about this before the issue is discussed at<BR>the =
meeting in=20
Vienna.<BR><BR>73 de Robert, LA4ANA<BR><BR>--- In <A=20
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group%40yahoogroups.co.uk"=20
target=3D_blank>rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk</A>, "Anton (Toni)"=20
wrote:<BR>><BR>> NRRL is proposing a band plan for 630m<BR>> =
What do=20
you think about it?<BR>> 73 de Toni, HB9ASB<BR>><BR>>=20
Recommendation<BR>> From the viewpoints of NRRL we would (at the =
time=20
being) like to<BR>present the<BR>> following proposal for a 630 m =
IARU=20
Region 1 bandplan:<BR>> 472 - 479 kHz (630 m)<BR>> 472 - 475 kHz =
CW only=20
=96 maximum bandwidth 200 Hz<BR>> 472.000 - 472.150 CW Beacons only =
(IARU=20
coordinated)<BR>> 472.150 - 472.300 CW QRSS<BR>> 472.600 CW DX=20
Calling<BR>> 474.750 CW Calling<BR>> 475 - 479 kHz CW + =
digimodes =96=20
maximum bandwidth 500 Hz<BR>> Contests should be discouraged in =
this very=20
narrow 630 m band where<BR>radio<BR>> amateurs are secondary =
users.<BR>>=20
Comment:<BR>> NRRL feels that it will be premature to further =
subdivide=20
different<BR>digimodes. This<BR>> may be better to do at the next=20
conference, if necessary, after<BR>considering<BR>>=20
experiences.<BR>><BR><BR></P></DIV>
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