Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md07.mail.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILINMD072-8e74b06ff92180; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:44:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD017-8e74b06ff92180; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:44:03 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NBaJo-0001Nl-Q1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:43:00 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NBaJo-0001Nc-9e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:43:00 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NBaJn-0004d4-H0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:43:00 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.4]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091120204254.SQLF27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:42:54 +0000 Received: from [81.109.247.175] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NBaJh-0003eX-D2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:42:54 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <20091120141648.8WGQY.1557635.root@mp17> <007f01ca6a1b$34a0b8d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:42:50 -0000 Message-ID: <009a01ca6a22$07a90470$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <007f01ca6a1b$34a0b8d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcpqG2S5+xyRey7mR6qBjWiCGAN4wQABdnbg X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=k339kGAnMhvy_VcYNhMA:9 a=hTg6t9m-Q7iKxWre1m0A:7 a=PbcNNp3a2wdYmbfqCZs7sOMhXNgA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=OagzxVuYODngwXtU:21 a=MkMuQcpFQ_psjLH7:21 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: WSPR a QSO mode not just beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear All, According to the ARRL, WSPR contacts, if verified as two way, will qualify towards DXCC awards as they consider these to be a QSO mode and not simply a beacon. As there is an exchange of callsign, locator and signal strength then that was deemed sufficient by the ARRL to qualify for DXCC and as a QSO in a data mode much like RTTY or PSK31 for example. This was discussed at the recent RSGB conference in a session on WSPR. With best regards Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 20 November 2009 19:54 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: WD2XES WSPR 136.0 Recently there has been an upsurge in wspr BEACON appliance operators and your suggested frequency area is not the place for them. The bottom end would keep Beacon acty out of the way. There would still be room for the odd EU qrs operator, can't say I have heard many in recent years. The freq area 137 - 138 k/cs is frequently occupied by Russian and other EU dxers for inter Country working using CW and QRS and 136.5 - 137 for local CW working. NA stns wishing to work EU would still use 137 - 138 on CW and QRS and not be clobbered by wspr carriers going ON/OFF. I hope you see the logic G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 7:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: WD2XES WSPR 136.0 > Thanks for the suggestion, but I doubt it will cause you any more interference than it has for the last 5 years. From our perspective, the lower end of the band has long been reserved for EU to NA operation. > > John, W1TAG > > ---- mal hamilton wrote: > > om I woud suggest you Beacon at the extreme bottom end of the band and not > > in the middle of the CW and QRS DX portion. > >