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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Pete Some of these beacons are also running a few hundred watts. I am often on 500 working QSX and have worked all the DL stns so far active. There are also others that have moved to 472 like OK2BVG, OM1II, OZ8FOC in QSO cw mode and I have worked them as well. The new band could well fizzle out when the novelty has worn off like 500 in the beginning and more so 137 Khz Beacon pollution has been the killer. Except we see more CW QSO acty the future for the band is bleak. For some reason the big players on 160 have not taken an interest on 500 or 137. What potential operators want to hear on MF/LF are QSO'S taking place and not some unknown repeative Beacons churning out a callsign, locator and QSO via Internet. I can understand Weak signal experiments on EME and such associated frequencies and distances but it is not necessary on MF. I and others have worked worldwide on 160 metres without it at moderate power levels. I have also worked across the pond and the Russian stns on 500 with good solid reports on CW and QRS 3 over the years since the permits were issued in the UK [...] Content analysis details: (3.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 3.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 7a302ec14fb4a62f16f049454b6dc54d Subject: Re: LF: 500 clutter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0095_01CDB5E3.23633400" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad4508e95693144 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01CDB5E3.23633400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete Some of these beacons are also running a few hundred watts. I am often = on 500 working QSX and have worked all the DL stns so far active. There = are also others that have moved to 472 like OK2BVG, OM1II, OZ8FOC in QSO = cw mode and I have worked them as well. The new band could well fizzle out when the novelty has worn off like = 500 in the beginning and more so 137 Khz Beacon pollution has been the killer. Except we see more CW QSO acty the = future for the band is bleak. For some reason the big players on 160 have not taken an interest on 500 = or 137. What potential operators want to hear on MF/LF are QSO'S taking place = and not some unknown repeative Beacons churning out a callsign, locator = and QSO via Internet.=20 I can understand Weak signal experiments on EME and such associated = frequencies and distances but it is not necessary on MF. I and others have worked worldwide on 160 metres without it at moderate = power levels.=20 I have also worked across the pond and the Russian stns on 500 with good = solid reports on CW and QRS 3 over the years since the permits were = issued in the UK 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 11:52 AM Subject: Re: LF: 500 clutter Hi Mal 630m band is much much more active than 600m at the moment at least. = All DLs of course, there hasn't been a night over the last couple of = weeks when I have not heard a CW Call or QSO on or around 472.5. It may = be like 600m at the start then die out. The NDBs give a very good = indication of band conditions. Some of these stations are only 25Watts = and I am hearing stuff 400 to a 1000 miles out every night, but getting = the operating conditions for most is difficult, too bad it's not = published.=20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: mal hamilton To: rsgb =20 Sent: Monday, 29 October 2012, 9:25 Subject: LF: 500 clutter MF I hope the new 472 Khz band starting for all in January is not going = to be cluttered by DATA or other Beacons. There are already more than = sufficient NDB's on the band, in fact they are also a nuisence. Stick to your guns Joe with JT9 qso mode only de Mal/G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01CDB5E3.23633400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pete
Some of these beacons are also running a few = hundred=20 watts. I am often on 500 working QSX and have worked all the DL stns so = far=20 active. There are also others that have moved to 472 like OK2BVG, OM1II, = OZ8FOC=20 in QSO cw mode and I have worked them as well.
The new band could well fizzle out when the = novelty has=20 worn off like 500 in the beginning and more so 137 Khz
Beacon pollution has been the killer. Except we = see more=20 CW QSO acty the future for the band is bleak.
For some reason the big players on 160 have not = taken an=20 interest on 500 or 137.
What potential operators want to hear on MF/LF = are QSO'S=20 taking place and not some unknown repeative Beacons churning out a = callsign,=20 locator and QSO via Internet.
I can understand Weak signal experiments on EME = and such=20 associated frequencies and distances but it is not necessary on = MF.
I and others have worked worldwide on 160 metres = without=20 it at moderate power levels.
I have also worked across the pond and the = Russian stns on=20 500 with good solid reports on CW and QRS 3 over the years since = the=20 permits were issued in the UK
 
 
 
 
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 = 11:52=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: 500 = clutter

Hi Mal
 
630m band is much much more active than 600m at the moment at = least. All=20 DLs of course, there hasn't been a night over the last couple of weeks = when I=20 have not heard a CW Call or QSO on or around 472.5. It may be = like 600m=20 at the start then die out. The NDBs give a very good indication of = band=20 conditions. Some of these stations are only 25Watts and I am hearing = stuff 400=20 to a 1000 miles out every night, but getting the operating=20 conditions for most is difficult, too bad it's not published.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, 29 October = 2012,=20 9:25
Subject: LF: = 500=20 clutter

MF
I hope the new 472 Khz band starting for all = in=20 January is not going to be cluttered by DATA or other Beacons. There = are=20 already more than sufficient NDB's on the band, in fact they are = also a=20 nuisence.
Stick to your guns Joe with JT9 qso mode=20 only
 
de Mal/G3KEV
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