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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Graham If you wind a 150mH loading coil for me I could be on next day !! I have already resonated my LF antenna for 8.9 Khz using small ferrite core loading coils and signal generator. It works and is also hot on RX I need a big coil to handle a QRO amplifier which I already have. 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I can guarantee you a signal mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:06 PM Subject: Re: LF: LF OP32 to VK?? > ''Coupled with this, there are relatively short periods of very good > conditions amongst the QSB which could be taken advantage of by a > faster speed.'' > > Mike, > > That's the $64,000 question , is there enough burst time in the > cycle to exceed the -40 dB lower threshold , but -40 is the average > along the time line , like stocks and shares the signal can move up > and down , round this point , the same dsp engine is decoding at -50 > dB at 4 hours in the experimental 8KHz mode , still waiting for MAL > to sort his licence out (HIHI) we have the 600 ft loop this side of > the hill. > > I believe the path loss is in the order of 40 dB , so who knows , > Gary crossed the Atlantic with 300 watts to a 30 ft top loaded > vertical, using OP8 ,looking at the screen captures 10 dB variation > in signal can be seen > > But I think there will be a lot of stations tuned in during the > tests, what ever the outcome ! > > 73 -Graham > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/O_P_E_R_A_/photos/album/2031588689/pic/7820982 76/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Mike Dennison" > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 4:41 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: LF OP32 to VK?? > > >> So do you and others think there will be a chance compared to > >> DFCW-180? The next VK season may start in 6 weeks or so... > >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > Op32 has been tested as roughly equivalent to QRSS10, so would be > > unlikely to produce a good enough signal/noise for DL-VK. > > > > The dilemma of LF DX: is that you need to use a very narrow bandwidth > > to get the S/N, so you need a very slow mode. However, the periods of > > good conditions are not open for very long, so you need a faster > > mode. > > > > Coupled with this, there are relatively short periods of very good > > conditions amongst the QSB which could be taken advantage of by a > > faster speed. > > > > Ideally you need a mode that will accumulate the results from several > > periods of good reception over a few hours or even over several days. > > > > Mike, G3XDV > > ========== > > > > >