Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6EA03380000E3; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QtORQ-0004XY-8f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:32:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QtORP-0004XP-QF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:32:43 +0100 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QtORN-0002rl-FI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:32:43 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjYBAAi3Sk5Ok80o/2dsb2JhbABBiQOPa0SPEHiBOwUBAQQBCAEBA0kCJgYBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh18CuVCGSASHMJxY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,234,1312153200"; d="scan'208";a="499210513" Received: from host-78-147-205-40.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.205.40]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 16 Aug 2011 19:32:35 +0100 Message-ID: <008901cc5c42$d4b720f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <005f01cc5c32$66a39ae0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <182D3176BF9144939EF13D0CBAC4921F@JimPC> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:32:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: ferrite coil Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:450851424:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40574e4ab7fe09ac X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Jim Incorporate both systems for max flexibility. With all this hi tech discussion its hard to believe that no one is transmitting or receiving at present from the UK, and not that much interest from EU. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 7:17 PM Subject: LF: Re: ferrite coil > Dear Mal, LF Group, > > >Instead of winding a tight coil on to a ferrite rod to get 270 uH and > >tuning with a 250 p variable capacitor... > > The required tuning capacitance would be about 5000pF. > > >...instead wind an air core coil and move the ferrite rod into/out of coil > >for the required inductance necessary for frequency >of interest. This > >would further reduce losses. > > You could tune inductance downwards in this way, but unfortunately any > reduction would be accompanied by reduced magnetic flux due to the received > signal in the antenna winding. So the signal amplitude would be reduced. > Also, I doubt if losses actually would be lower - certainly, the coil > without the ferrite rod will have a much lower Q than with the rod in place, > so a point must come as the rod is withdrawn where Q decreases rapidly. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > >