Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dj03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dj03.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.19.187.139]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF024-5ee94c122b7839c; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:26:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dj03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 397F13800009E; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ON3Ig-0000xU-Pb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:25:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ON3Ig-0000xL-Cx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:25:30 +0100 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1ON3If-000319-4i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:25:30 +0100 Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100611122523.FTYV3266.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:25:23 +0100 Received: from [86.25.6.138] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1ON3IV-00079R-9X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:25:19 +0100 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <4C0C10E1.4090804@freenet.de><4C0C15BB.9010602@gmx.com><4C0C1960.5050708@freenet.de><4C0C1C35.2080401@gmx.com><4C0EB8AC.2070508@freenet.de> <53EF46B489244A09B02F194D6CD79DAB@df2py> <4C101E1F.7010501@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <3E76E4DCF3684D3E99582E065CA7486E@df2py> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1C39@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <5E86B9622E084C7AABBED3AA4DF93ABF@df2py> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1C3A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:25:11 +0100 Message-ID: <008901cb0961$23480030$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000845137A910823949AF534C2ED99E66B184712A00 Thread-Index: AcsIKGjKsK5UVdcJTRaNiexvv3fsSgALocogABnAVncABD9bsAABmvf+ACDjGyAAAgThsA== In-Reply-To: X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=q8OS1GolVHwA:10 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=jsez0mbv-SR9k3pfpFYA:9 a=0_-S16EwwgrdnG7k5MbWLVF0xCYA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=nv4kSU6CaNYyEAT_:21 a=Nf01Y8eEMJbc23kU:21 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=GfpG1ZLAg6bnBhsNOA8A:9 a=1L8dGXUQbgoUy4BOgqMA:7 a=g3rEItd9ve7tEyoOkj0tOYlEUaQA:4 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: move from loop to loaded aerial Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008A_01CB0969.850C6830" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/59665 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean x-aol-sid: 3039cdbc9d074c122b755f6b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01CB0969.850C6830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Wolf Hams 4 Hams .com have 15 and 20m fiberglass telescopic poles, that would make a good vertical element With best regards Jim From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Wolf Ostwald Sent: 11 June 2010 12:37 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: move from loop to loaded aerial Hello group ! After all the efforts, with a reasonable large loop, seem to be to no avail, I am going to move to a loaded radiator. Either vertical or longwire. A radiator with a relatively small active length should more or less have a spherical pattern. Hence the geometrical orientation, may it be vertical or horizontal, should not have a big effect on the spherical pattern. Is this assumption rite or not ? A horizontal span could be easier be longer than a vertical one. I am not talking about a large structure like Stefan`s kite, I am talking about a more "average ham`s "-antenna like a 25m vertical, which can stay put for frequent testing and experiments. 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