Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51615 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 13:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 13:16:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 3716 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 13:16:04 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 13:15:55 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AU4Bf-0004U0-CN for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:15:31 +0000 Received: from [212.77.101.160] (helo=smtp.wp.pl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AU4Be-0004Ti-AY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:15:30 +0000 Received: (WP-SMTPD 20366 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 13:14:56 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: miglanc.socrates.org.pl Received: from miglanc.socrates.org.pl (HELO lubon) (sq5bpm@[194.181.189.2]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (wp-smtpd) with SMTP for ; 10 Dec 2003 13:14:55 -0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (lubon) Message-ID: <008701c3bf1f$4fb18030$2701a8c0@lubon> From: "Marek SQ5BPM" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:12:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Antivirus: skaner antywirusowy poczty Wirtualnej Polski S. A. X-WP-ChangeAV: 0 Subject: Re: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 > [...] > I'm quite incapable of integrating SIN(x^2)/x^2 from first principles (or > any other way for that matter :-) to calculate the level of the main lobe. > Can anyone point out the best way to do this calculation ? Dear Andy and all, If the only problem is the calculation of the integral - try Derive. I have an old DOS version at home. I do not have it at work at the moment, however I found a demo (30-day trial) version of Derive5 for Windows at http://www.derive-europe.com/ . At http://cobjs.compu-ag.de/nonhacking/derive/ you can find a pirated(?) German version of the software, if you prefer. OK, assuming that you've installed it, to simply calculate the difinite integral of sin(x^2)/(x^2) do the following: - in the bottom line type sin(x^2)/(x^2) and Enter - the expression should appear and should be marked (selected) - go to menu: Calculus->Integrate - Variable: x, select Definite, set Lower and Upper limit, press OK. A beautiful integral sign should appear and the whole expression should be marked (selected) - go to Menu: Simplify->Approximate, select the desired accuracy and press Approximate. If you play around, you'll find a way to draw a nice plot of your function... 73! Marek SQ5BPM P.S. I just found the old Derive for DOS in the Internet, but... I realised that an unexperienced user will probably get even more puzzled than when using the German version for Windows without knowing German HI. But - you can try it: http://www.geocities.com/andreubass/programes/derive.zip . Unzip it to a new folder and run derive.exe. In this version you do everything with the keyboard only, mostly by pressing letter keys. So, just to start the VGA graphics mode, to be able to plot, do this (press the letters in square brackets): [O]ptions [D]isplay [G]raphics [H]igh [V]GA [Enter] multi[S]ync. Now an example, how to plot a simple function: [W]indow [S]plit [V]ertical [W]indow [N]ext [W]indow [D]esignate [2]D-Plot [W]indow [N]ext . Now press [A]uthor and for example type x^2 [Enter]. Now [P]lot [P]lot. Beautiful, isn't it? To go back, press [A]lgebra. Play around. You can reference to your previous equations by typing #n, for example to do now sin(x^2)/(x^2), you could use [A]uthor and sin(#1)/#1, because x^2 has just been saved under #1. To make an integral, you can use [C]alculus [I]ntegrate, it is similar to the Windows version. We used this nice software in the secondary school, about 10 years ago, but I still use it when I have to quickly check something like (try it) : lim((x^2+1)/(x^2),x,inf) and then [S]implify. In this case the result is obvious, but this is just as an example what this software is capable of. Remember that this software has been written to run even on an IBM PC-XT with a Hercules "graphic card"! I know that there are much better mathematical programs than this old Derive but... I think that the best software is the software you know the best :D