Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11768 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 11:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 11:44:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 2868 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 11:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 11:44:14 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16rIhM-0003Uv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 13:15:12 +0000 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz ([203.109.252.8] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16rIhK-0003Up-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 13:15:10 +0000 Received: from athlon (p2-max12.chc.ihug.co.nz [203.173.226.130]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id XAA14723 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:37:01 +1200 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp2.ihug.co.nz: Host p2-max12.chc.ihug.co.nz [203.173.226.130] claimed to be athlon Message-ID: <008401c1d7df$3b4ee6b0$0100a8c0@athlon> From: "Dave Brown" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: LF: Re: RE: loops Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:36:40 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Bill A sed--- For those that are this crazy, the loop conductor will have to > use #6 or multiple runs of smaller size wire and the capacitor will have to > be...... well, something exotic! The 'Crazy' I agree with. But not necessarily 'exotic' in regard to loop capacitors. Certainly it MUST be built so as to keep components operating within their ratings. For the usual 500 volt 4700 pf polystyrene ( or the current 'equivalent material- polycarbonate??) capacitor this means enough wired - a) in parallel --- to keep the current in each to a safe figure- 1 amp seems to be about all the polystyrenes will sustain long term, and b) in series---- to withstand the applied PEAK voltage. So a large array of caps in series/parallel is what you wind up with. Not pretty, but functional. In my case I run up to about thirty amps in the loop so with around 15000pf needed for resonance I have about 90 of the 4700pf/500 volt units in series parallel. A 2000 pf air spaced variable serves as fine tuning. At 3kv rating it's a bit under rated but hasn't failed yet--- in several years of 180 kHz operation. Loop conductor is two runs in parallel of 7/1.5mm aluminium-- your bog standard 11 kV overhead drop-lead stuff. Loop DC resistance of 34 milliohms and effective resistance at 180kHz of 0.99 ohms - a bit on the high side, but quite practical given we use SSB quite a bit down here in ZL and anything lower would start seriously negating the need for a filter in the SSB exciter! Loop tx efficiency isn't always a prime consideration. Dave, ZL3FJ