Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0393E38000147; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 13:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Rhmci-0000qx-67 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:28:40 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Rhmch-0000qo-O8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:28:39 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Rhmcf-0001P1-B5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:28:39 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjI3AFH2AU9cHnEY/2dsb2JhbABDggWVfwOUUIEGgW0UAQEDSQIsAggCAQcdOQEEGgYkHQECAgEBh2uVRJ5sjA8EiASFLAGaBQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,445,1320624000"; d="scan'208,217";a="523135155" Received: from host-92-30-113-24.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.113.24]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 02 Jan 2012 18:28:31 +0000 Message-ID: <008301ccc97c$51d9fcf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 18:28:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Antennas Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01CCC97C.514D7460" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:408952160:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4094f01f7850e61 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CCC97C.514D7460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF es MF Reports from across the pond and other DX locations as far as Tenneesee = and Kansas using micro probe antennas are great for QRSS speeds but not = suitable for audio reception. Take 160 metres for example where it is normal to work world wide on cw = but antennas in use are large verticals, inv L systems, Rhombics and V = beams, therefore to have any chance of receiving signals at audio level = on LF or MF large antennas of the calibre used on 160 metres are = necessary. As well as TX at this QTH I also use large arrays for RX and often hear = signals from NA that would not be audible with small loops, micro probes = or ferrite sticks Recently on 500 I was able to copy a W stn 579 but a DL stn copied only = on screen, when I asked what strength the signal was I got no = reply!!!!!!!!!!!!! using a micro probe antenna. If a proper large antenna system is not used on LF es MF then there is = virtually NIL chance of an audio report from across the pond for EU stns = es vice versa Back some years ago I had audio reports from the Boston area but the = antennas were proper wire arrays as used on 160 metres Small hand held antennas are fine for High Power BC strength signals = but not for low power amateur signals to be heard No commercial LF/MF station would even consider an antenna of the micro = variety. When I was in the business some years ago on LF/MF Rhombics and V-Beams = were the norm de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CCC97C.514D7460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LF es MF
Reports from across the pond and other DX = locations as far=20 as Tenneesee and Kansas using micro probe antennas are great for QRSS = speeds but=20 not suitable for audio reception.
Take 160 metres for example where it is normal = to work=20 world wide on cw but antennas in use are large verticals, inv L systems, = Rhombics and V beams, therefore to have any chance of receiving signals = at audio=20 level on LF or MF large antennas of the calibre used on 160 metres are=20 necessary.
As well as TX at this QTH I also use large = arrays for RX=20 and often hear signals from NA that would not be audible with small = loops, micro=20 probes or ferrite sticks
Recently on 500 I was able to copy a W stn 579 = but a DL=20 stn copied only on screen, when I asked what strength the signal was I = got no=20 reply!!!!!!!!!!!!! using a micro probe antenna.
If a proper large antenna system is not used on = LF es MF=20 then there is virtually NIL chance of an audio report from across the = pond for=20 EU stns es vice versa
Back some years ago I had audio reports from the = Boston=20 area but the antennas were proper wire arrays as used on 160 = metres
Small hand held antennas are fine for High = Power=20  BC strength signals but not for low power amateur signals to be=20 heard
No commercial LF/MF station would even consider = an antenna=20 of the micro variety.
When I was in the business some years ago on = LF/MF=20 Rhombics and V-Beams were the norm
de mal/g3kev
 
 
 
 
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