Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 189C33800008F; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RLhNt-0006Ji-A8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 20:26:05 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RLhNs-0006JZ-Mb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 20:26:04 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RLhNq-0003dv-Gl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 20:26:04 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqkAAF+msU5cF/Ma/2dsb2JhbABDgk2TLYN7j3yBBg+BXgUBAQQBCAEBAzwNAhAWBgEBAwUCAQMRAwEBAQEJJRQBBAgSBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHcQK1QIkQBIJYhH6WeYcq X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,445,1315177200"; d="scan'208,217";a="14401786" Received: from host-92-23-243-26.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.243.26]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 02 Nov 2011 20:25:55 +0000 Message-ID: <008301cc999d$9e7625c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: ,,, <6D358077-DCB6-42C2-959D-D743C1F0A03F@numeo.fr> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 20:25:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 8kHz of spectrum Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01CC999D.9E383260" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:518302112:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4acf4eb1a79e5153 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CC999D.9E383260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John How many? they do not seem too keen on 137 g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Rabson=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 8:12 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 8kHz of spectrum French amateurs would be very happy with something around 600m. John F5VLF On 2 Nov 2011, at 20:05CET, Laurence KL7UK wrote: Ill certainly take 5W versus none with a big smile on my face - I = know how much work has gone into this so far with a number of people = giving up considerable time and resources. =20 Now as Rik says we/they go forward to the next round. =20 - a couple of Watts ERP on 502kHz from SM6BHZ reached a city central = location in far Eastern China on the Yellow Sea/Bohai Bay on WSPR/QRSS = a year or so back so a lot of things are possible at this power level... = =20 I do miss the MCW on MF when sending out a TR.... =20 Laurence KL7UK G4DMA et al =20 =20 > From: Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:30:27 +0100 > Subject: RE: LF: Re: 8kHz of spectrum >=20 > Warren, all, >=20 > 472-480kHz with 5W EIRP is the outcome of long and at moments very = difficult negotiations. > Indeed, my "wish list" would be 500-515kHz with 100W EIRP or so. = But at the end I prefer to have 472-480kHz with 5 W EIRP in many = countries than the current 501-504kHz is just a few countries. > About 5W EIRP: that is some dB above the power I have been using = for the past years. It is OK CW up to +2000km and up to 7000km in WSPR / = QRSS3.=20 > The small frequency move should at worst be a minor inconvenience = to any real ham. >=20 > And: this is still a proposal for WRC 2015, so fingers crossed (or = not ?) until then. >=20 > 73, Rik ON7YD >=20 > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Warren Ziegler = [wd2xgj@gmail.com] > Verzonden: woensdag 2 november 2011 17:30 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: Re: LF: Re: 8kHz of spectrum >=20 > FYI the U.S. Experimental license WE2XGR covers 42kHz (460-480 and > 493-515) with 1kW ERP and includes cw,ssb and all data modes. > No interference problems to date. >=20 > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Tracey Gardner > wrote: > > There are a mere 68 active NDBs in that segment. > > > > 73s Tracey > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Laurence KL7UK > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 3:24 PM > > Subject: LF: 5 Whats? > > During the meeting of the CEPT WRC-12 Conference Preparatory = Group held in > > Bucharest between November 1st-4th 2011 an European Common = Proposal was > > agreed. This ECP represents the block vote of 48 administrations = and was > > passed without dissent. It proposes an allocation to the amateur = service > > between 472-480 kHz on a secondary basis with a maximum power = limit of 5W > > eirp. > > This ECP will now be forwarded to the ITU as a contribution from = CEPT. > > I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of those who = participated > > in the work of the working group that led to the adoption of = this > > proposal. Also thanks are due to those European Member Societies = who > > helped to influence their national administrations in this = matter. > > Now for WRC-12. > > Colin, G3PSM > > CEPT Co-ordinator for Agenda Item 1.23 > > > > > > Laurence KL7UK > > > > ________________________________ > > > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/3990 - Release Date: = 11/01/11 ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CC999D.9E383260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John
How many? they do not seem too keen on = 137
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John=20 Rabson
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, = 2011 8:12=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: 8kHz of=20 spectrum

French amateurs would be very happy with something = around 600m.

John F5VLF

On 2 Nov 2011, at 20:05CET, Laurence KL7UK wrote:
Ill certainly take 5W versus none with a big smile on = my face -=20 I know how much work has gone into this so far with a number of = people=20 giving up considerable time and resources.
 
Now as = Rik says=20 we/they go forward to the next round.
 
- a couple of = Watts ERP=20 on 502kHz from SM6BHZ reached a city central location in  = far=20 Eastern China on the Yellow Sea/Bohai Bay on  WSPR/QRSS a year = or so=20 back so a lot of things are possible at this power=20 level... 
 
 I do miss the MCW on MF when = sending out a=20 TR....
 
Laurence KL7UK  G4DMA et = al
 
 
> From: Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be
>=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
>=20 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:30:27 +0100
> Subject: RE: LF: Re: = 8kHz of=20 spectrum
> 
>=20 Warren, all,
> 
>=20 472-480kHz with 5W EIRP is the outcome of long and at moments very = difficult=20 negotiations.
> Indeed, my "wish list" would be 500-515kHz = with 100W=20 EIRP or so. But at the end I prefer to have 472-480kHz with 5 W EIRP = in many=20 countries than the current 501-504kHz is just a few = countries.
> About=20 5W EIRP: that is some dB above the power I have been using for the = past=20 years. It is OK CW up to +2000km and up to 7000km in WSPR / = QRSS3. 
> The small = frequency move=20 should at worst be a minor inconvenience to any real = ham.
> 
> And: this is = still a=20 proposal for WRC 2015, so fingers crossed (or not ?) until=20 then.
> 
> 73, Rik=20 ON7YD
> 
>=20 ________________________________________
> Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org]=20 namens Warren Ziegler [wd2xgj@gmail.com]
> = Verzonden:=20 woensdag 2 november 2011 17:30
> Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
>=20 Onderwerp: Re: LF: Re: 8kHz of spectrum
> 
> FYI the U.S. = Experimental=20 license WE2XGR covers 42kHz (460-480 and
> 493-515) with 1kW = ERP and=20 includes cw,ssb and all data modes.
> No interference problems = to=20 date.
> 
>=20 --
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ
> WD2XSH/23
>=20 WE2XEB/2
> WE2XGR/1
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 2, = 2011 at=20 12:13 PM, Tracey Gardner
> <tracey.gardner@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:
> > There are a mere 68 active NDBs in that = segment.
>=20 >
> > 73s Tracey
> >
> > ----- = Original=20 Message -----
> > From: Laurence KL7UK
> > = To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
>=20 > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 3:24 PM
> > = Subject: LF: 5=20 Whats?
> > During the meeting of the CEPT WRC-12 Conference = Preparatory Group held in
> > Bucharest between November = 1st-4th=20 2011 an European Common Proposal was
> > agreed. This ECP=20 represents the block vote of 48 administrations and was
> > = passed=20 without dissent. It proposes an allocation to the amateur = service
>=20 > between 472-480 kHz on a secondary basis with a maximum power = limit of=20 5W
> > eirp.
> > This ECP will now be forwarded to = the ITU=20 as a contribution from CEPT.
> > I would like to take this=20 opportunity to thank all of those who participated
> > in = the work=20 of the working group that led to the adoption of this
> > = proposal.=20 Also thanks are due to those European Member Societies who
> = >=20 helped to influence their national administrations in this = matter.
>=20 > Now for WRC-12.
> > Colin, G3PSM
> > CEPT=20 Co-ordinator for Agenda Item 1.23
> >
> >
> = >=20 Laurence KL7UK
> >
> >=20 ________________________________
> >
> > No virus = found in=20 this message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> > Version: = 10.0.1411 /=20 Virus Database: 2092/3990 - Release Date:=20 = 11/01/11

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