Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.31]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD024-86aa4d090c7e312; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:44:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 49DC0380000A0; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:44:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PSwJu-0006ig-FR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:43:22 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PSwJt-0006iW-Rm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:43:21 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PSwJr-000728-41 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:43:21 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Al4FAD6bCE1Ok8RI/2dsb2JhbACCFo9fA4Z1i0Fzw1yFSgSBYIxLglg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,350,1288569600"; d="scan'208,217";a="472280168" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.196.72]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2010 18:43:10 +0000 Message-ID: <007b01cb9c87$ebe1c170$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <2D9F1290-9246-4DFD-A0E6-D9D58DEF00AC@numeo.fr> <004301cb9c7b$1ee6e530$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <5DE9A45B-E923-46C1-A753-F219123F3B4E@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:43:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Re: VLF - distances achjeved Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0078_01CB9C87.EBAFB4F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411f4d090c7c6d0e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01CB9C87.EBAFB4F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are you referring to the msg sent earlier on from Stefan stating there= was another BUG Are you saying this is Rubbish or what do you mean please explain, I= was only quoting an email that I read and advising John to be careful= . g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 5:47 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: VLF - distances achjeved Rubbish=20 Sent from my iPod Touch 4g On 15 Dec 2010, at 17:11, "mal hamilton" wro= te: John Be careful what you publish for accuracy, there are conflicting re= ports about what takes place on VLF/LF/MF - lots of inaccuracies.=20 ie carriers seen but no ID then the questions on the reflector, = was that you if not who was it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I saw an X then a Y who was that? Too much guesswork and no positi= ve ID Published articles need hard facts and some people would believe= anything they read. It is like newspapers often the facts are distort= ed to make a good story and it is hard to tell FACTS from FICTION G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Rabson=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:55 AM Subject: LF: VLF - distances achjeved I am writing a piece on VLF for the Cave Radio & Electronics Gro= up Journal and would like to include distance records. Can people ple= ase confirm that the following information is correct (or not)?=20 Above-ground antennas Hz ERP mW From To km=20 8970 58 Heidelberg Israel 2873=20 6470 9 Heidelberg Breclav 904=20 5170 5 Heidelberg Breclav 904=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Earth current antennas Hz TX power W Electrode spacing m From To km=20 8970 250 600 Heidelberg Roschbach 72=20 6470 250 600 Heidelberg Roschbach 72=20 5170 250 600 Heidelberg Roschbach 72=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Thank you.=20 John F5VLF ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01CB9C87.EBAFB4F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Are you referring to the ms= g sent earlier=20 on from Stefan stating there was another BUG
Are you saying this is Rubbish or wha= t do you mean=20 please explain, I was only quoting an email that I read and advising= John to be=20 careful.
 
g3kev
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 15,= 2010 5:47=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: VLF - di= stances=20 achjeved

Rubbish 

Sent from my iPod Touch 4g

On 15 Dec 2010, at 17:11, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:

John
Be careful what you publish for= accuracy, there=20 are conflicting reports about what takes place on VLF/LF/MF - lots= of=20 inaccuracies.
ie carriers seen but no ID then= the questions=20 on the reflector,  was that you if not who was it=20 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I saw an X then a Y who was that?= Too much=20 guesswork and no positive ID
Published articles need hard fact= s and some=20 people would believe anything they read. It is like newspapers oft= en the=20 facts are distorted to make a good story and it is hard to tell FA= CTS from=20 FICTION
 
G3KEV
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John=20 Rabson
Sent: Wednesday, December= 15, 2010=20 10:55 AM
Subject: LF: VLF - distan= ces=20 achjeved

I am writing a piece on VLF for the Cave Radio &a= mp;=20 Electronics Group Journal and would like to include distance rec= ords.=20  Can people please confirm that the following information= is correct=20 (or not)?=20

<= BR>

Above-ground=20 antennas


Hz
ERP mW=
From
To
km
8970
58
Heidelberg
Israel=
2873
6470
9
Heidelberg
Breclav
904
5170
5
Heidelberg
Breclav<= /FONT>
904





Earth current antennas


Hz
TX power W
Electrode spa= cing=20 m
From
To
km
8970
250
600
Heidelberg
Roschbach
72
6470
250
600
Heidelberg
Roschb= ach
72
5170
250
600
Heidelberg
Roschb= ach
72





Thank you.

John F5VLF


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