Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD021-90947b6295b8d; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:08:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD061-90947b6295b8d; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:07:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1JQAac-0003iF-U9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:07:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1JQAac-0003i6-9R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:07:34 +0000 Received: from wmsmtp.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.253] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JQAaY-0000nO-Qe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:07:34 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO g3kev) ([78.144.162.50]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 00:07:23 +0000 X-Path: TTSMTP Message-ID: <007b01c8702f$e7ac1f10$0301a8c0@g3kev> From: "mal" To: References: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:07:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.001,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: CW Skimmer Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0078_01C8702F.E7328240" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C8702F.E7328240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Take the letter Z for instance sent badly spaced. It could be TD, MI, GE, TT= EE. A proficient cw operator would be able to identify the context in which=20= it was being sent and read it accordingly. Presently it could not be read by= a machine. A high speed computer could have a stab at the various possibilities and pro= duce something but a miss is as good as a mile !!!!!!!!!!!! gibberish.=20 In real time decoding the complete morse code badly hand sent, Baghdad morse= , would be difficult for a machine to interpret=20 It would be pointless developing a machine to read this sort of morse anyway= , there are numerous machine generated data modes better suited for moving l= arge volumes of traffic and easily decoded by other machines. The only human= input is probably a keypad and that is about the only rattle they might rec= ognise. =20 The average radio amateur today is an appliance operator and probably never=20= heard about morse code or a soldering iron. Avoid them both!! G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: G4gvw@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 11:23 PM Subject: Re: LF: CW Skimmer Actualy I do not agree with that statement. It is only in the present stat= e of the art that you might say that a machine cannot read poorly sent morse= . It is not so many years ago that the present state of the art was consider= ed beyond the reach of machines! It is surely not beyond the wit of man to imagine that a future generation= of machines and their programmes (I hesitate to use the word software delib= erately) might not only decode a data stream called "morse" but actually int= erpret its "meaning" using rules based on language, useage and machine-based= artificial intelligence! In the same way that the modern radio amateur has become an operator of "b= lack boxes" who is to say that the next generation of Black Boxes will not b= ecome an operator of radio amateurs? Some would say that this is alraeady the case! =20 73 de Pat G4GVW es gd dx Qth near Felixstowe, UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 14/02/200= 8 18:35 ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C8702F.E7328240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Take the letter Z for instance sent badly spaced. It could be TD, MI, G= E,=20 TTEE. A proficient cw operator would be able to identify the context in whic= h it=20 was being sent and read it accordingly. Presently it could not be read by a=20 machine.
A high speed computer could have a stab at the various possibilities an= d=20 produce something but a miss is as good as a mile !!!!!!!!!!!! gibberish.
In real time decoding the complete morse code badly hand sent, Baghdad=20 morse,  would be difficult for a machine to interpret
It would be pointless developing a machine to read this sort of morse=20 anyway, there are numerous machine generated data modes better suited f= or=20 moving large volumes of traffic and easily decoded by other machines. The on= ly=20 human input is probably a keypad and that is about the only rattle they migh= t=20 recognise.  
The average radio amateur today is an appliance operator and probably n= ever=20 heard about morse code or a soldering iron. Avoid them both!!
G3KEV
 
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G4gvw@aol.com <= /DIV>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 11:= 23=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: CW Skimmer

Actualy I do not agree with that statement. It is only in the present= =20 state of the art that you might say that a machine cannot read poorly sent= =20 morse. It is not so many years ago that the present state of the art was=20 considered beyond the reach of machines!
 
It is surely not beyond the wit of man to imagine that a future=20 generation of machines and their programmes (I hesitate to use the word=20 software deliberately) might not only decode a data stream called "morse"=20= but=20 actually interpret its "meaning" using rules based on language, useage and= =20 machine-based artificial intelligence!
 
In the same way that the modern radio amateur has become an operator=20= of=20 "black boxes" who is to say that the next generation of Black Boxes will n= ot=20 become an operator of radio amateurs?
 
Some would say that this is alraeady the case!
 
 
 =20
 
73 de Pat=20 G4GVW es gd dx
Qth near Felixstowe, UK

No virus found in this incoming message.
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