Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27323 invoked from network); 26 May 2003 19:51:34 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 May 2003 19:51:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 9401 invoked by uid 10001); 26 May 2003 19:51:34 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 May 2003 19:51:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19KNyz-00065j-1i for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 May 2003 20:50:09 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19KNyu-00065a-29 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 May 2003 20:50:04 +0100 Received: from host213-122-214-120.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.214.120] helo=Main) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19KNys-0001IO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 May 2003 20:50:02 +0100 Message-ID: <007a01c323c0$0399a600$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:49:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Top loaded inv "L"s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Laurence sorry to hear the spruce are succumbing to the beetle. I have a load of elm sapling at the end of my garden that suffer similarly. I think it is worth putting the reply on the reflector as it may trigger some violent disagreements (I hope ?) or some other ideas, and findings from different sites. Vertical leads for the L. I think the reason for the suggestion of a single wire it to reduce the capacity of the vertical to ground and to surrounding "environment" (probably more improtant for amateur aerials). Nevertheless several amateurs use multiple wire verticals with satisfactory results. Brian had 4 wires originally as an open wire feeder to his 80m cage top. Mal uses three inverted Ls in parallel I believe with the verticals connected at the feed point. Finbar ran four lengths of vertical insulated wires together, through a ring attached to his halyard, and then he fanned them out to form his capacity load. It is advantageous to keep the vertical as far from grounded items like trees, masts, and buildings. Even a couple of metres will make a difference. There are ways of feeding a wire attached to a grounded tower (see Rik Stobbe's tutorial on LF aerials 10 or 11, I think) www.qsl.net/on7yd Top-load wires These need to be separated by at least 70cms to give increased capacitive loading, a metre is probably better, more doesn't gain anything....put another wire in !! The NEC "simulators" will tell you that increasing the top load beyond a length equal to about the height of the antenna will not gain you anything more. It is true that the extra length will not increase the effective height or the radiation resistance (you will probably not find received signals any stronger ) but the increase in capacity is accompanied by an similar decrease in ground loss. Provided they are not strung over lossy bushes, as Laurie has just discovered. I have used 1inch diam plastic water pipe a spreaders its light and seems strong enough. Connection or top load Mike G3XDV discussed this with the group some while back and it does not seem to matter whether the top-wires are in parallel or are zig-zagged backwards and forwards The effect is the same. (I have some in parallel and some "folded back") If you are going to run significant power, then you will need to watch out for areas where there are sharp bends, and also at the ends of the wire. Jim has made some successful corona rings for the ends of his wire. I think they are 3in diameter rings of thick copper wire, supported on the insulators and soldered to the end of the aerial wire. Ralph has done similarly with his SMG beacon (166.3kHz), and has quite a few pics on his web site.. I hope that helps a bit, but you will probably get plenty more ideas to distil into a "program". Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com