To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c48034$daba1760$43e8fc3e@l8p8y6> <005f01c481cd$d16bd3c0$15bc0150@captbrian> <001d01c4808b$184067a0$fae8fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:30:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 62.253.162.48 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 137 khz acty Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Are we to understand then that your report meant :

M0BMU was heard sending CW using the morse code at 3 words per minute,

DL2HRE using CW with frequency shift keying but the code and speed used were beyond your ability to ascertain and report

G4GWT was heard using morse code at 3 words per minute via a CW transmitter .and signals self-evidently suitable for CW working because he already was. ?

I think not ; it was all very slovenly reporting.

You may not have heard Continuous Wave morse coded signals from G3GVB because in tuning my fixed beam aerials for headings a little north of West, towards the /MM station I have in South Florida and operated by friends there and maximum forward gain I accept a minor rear lobe over central Europe but no discernable side lobes. The fact that I am therefore heard neither in Scarborough nor its near reciprocal direction, the camel soukh of Sidi Barani, means that I receive and radiate negligible signals in those directions although the pure serendipidity of this fact was not apparent to me until today.

I tend to be confused only by trustingly accepting, as if true , confusing reports from sloppy-thinking sources.

I end by quoting verbatim (and agreeing) the ultimate line of your unnecessarily sarcastic and abrasive comments.

"Stick to established procedures and avoid CONFUSION"

Bryan - G3GVB / AC4UA / and C6A / (VS2FD)

Currently near Brighton, England.

[ my apologies to the rest of this erudite and amiable list - QRSS 3 is quite clear to me ]

----- Original Message -----

From: hamilton mal

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 5:40 PM

Subject: LF: Re: Re: 137 khz acty

----- Original Message -----

From: captbrian

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 8:10 AM

Subject: LF: Re: 137 khz acty

I'm confused by the jargon now . QRS is plain ole' slow speed morse. QRSS 3 is very slow with 3 second dots for machine reading?

What is QRS 3

As far as I am concerned QRS means slow morse, as slow as you want it to be. There is no such designator in international procedures as QRSS. This is something invented in recent times for LF activity and means nothing to the general amateur radio community.

QRS 3 would normally mean reduce speed to 3wpm, but in LF circles it means speed is 3 sec dots, QRS 30 means 30 sec dots. I suppose one should say QRS 3 SEC or QRS 30 SEC for computer generated and received CW.

This is what I understand for machine assisted CW. I normally work only CW except under exceptionally circumstances when the other station cannot send normal CW.

I am surprised that a G3 would be so confused, I cannot say I have ever heard or seen signals from G3GVB and your broken English is hard to understand for us where English is a second language.

The majority of signals that I see on QRS are perfectly workable on normal CW. The exception might be someone on QRP which means as low power as you want or on LF is it QRPP.

Stick to established procedures and avoid CONFUSION

de G3KEV

G3GVB

----- Original Message -----

From: hamilton mal

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 7:22 AM

Subject: LF: 137 khz acty

Three stations active yesterday evening around 2000utc.

M0BMU qrs 3

DL2HRE fsk

G4WGT qrs 3 ANT TESTING. good loud signal suitable for CW working and louder than M0BMU.

73 de Mal/G3KEV