Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22063 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 18:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 18:21:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 18757 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 18:21:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 18:21:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16C30R-0007Z3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 18:12:23 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16C30P-0007Yy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 18:12:22 +0000 Received: from steve (ppp225.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.225]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA25598 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 05:11:34 +1100 Message-ID: <007701c17e82$14e3b480$e19a17d2@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: "RSGB LF Group" Subject: LF: Re; Improving extreme weak signals... Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 05:16:00 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day James, I am intrigued by your posting:- > > I think Rik's idea of displaying 2 tones differentially ought to work, but > it would place quite stringent demands on frequency stability. > This certainly does work as I have been using such a system for several years now. I called it FDK for Frequency Difference Keying. I have had trouble explaining what is really a very simple protocol over those several years and in frustration changed the name to Wanjina to avoid association with VFSKCW, DFCW, FSK, etc. However, FDK wasn't the first 'stab'. It all started for me almost three years ago when I was toying with the idea of speeding up the slow QRSS technique by encoding dots and dashes as two slightly offset tones of the same duration. I had a soundcard program written to do that and convinced myself that it would work. However, at that time very few people were set up to send soundcard derived signals, so I shelved the code until Rik made the protocol popular (only after much persistence by Rik against much opposition if I recall correctly). I quickly resurrected the code and this is the basis of the VFSKCW (Visual Frequency Shift Keying C W) program which was used recently to cross the Pacific on 137.790kHz (ZL2CA / W4DEX). Next came what I called AFK (Absolute Frequency Keying). Here each character is encoded by being assigned its own frequency (say 1000 - 'A', 1010 = 'B', and so on). The duration of each tone was arbitrarily chosen to be 60 seconds. Subsequently, I found that this is actually a very old technique first invented by an Englishman circa 1958 and is called Piccolo Mark 1. Lately this method has been subsequently re-invented as PU-43 and PGP-1. Once again I had shelved this method as the absolute frequency accuracy was beyond what was in use at the time, although I did experiment with it in Laser DX and Infrasonics where absolute frequencies translate into reasonable ppm requirements. After this I began to see that more and more operators were getting into soundcard software transmitting so I attempted to push another scheme which I called FDK (Frequency Difference Keying) to relieve some of the stringent frequency stability requirements. Here the characters are not encoded in an absolute frequency, but the difference between two tones ('A' = 5Hz diff., 'B' = 5.1Hz diff., and so on) of 60 seconds duration. For several years I have been trying to push this protocol as it removes the problem of long term drift and the need to 'net' accurately. Problem was that I couldn't seem to explain the protocol, probably because it was too simple and people were expecting something exotic and mysterious. To try and disassociate FDK from VFSKCW, DFCW, FSK, etc, I changed the protocol name to Wanjina. A HF version of Wanjina was developed (called WaHiFer) and transmissions using 2mW EIRP were received and decoded by Lyle K0LR on 13.555450MHz (a distance of more that 16000km). Argo was used to capture data and that data was analysed off-air to decode the signals. The path from in VK2 to the US is unstable at HF and there was considerable smearing of the signals - however the Wanjina WaHiFer S/W coped with that by decimating in time and using a mode detector. At LF this smearing is not significant and a different Wanjina LF S/W would be more suitable. If it can work at HF then it can work at LF. Perhaps by next season I will have the time to write it (WaLowFer ?). I know some of you have heard this before and I apologise for this, but as it seems as if FDK/Wanjina is being re-invented: > > I think Rik's idea of displaying 2 tones differentially ought to work, > at the risk of annoying everyone, I thought it useful to re-iterate and try and explain again as well as state that based on my actual field results it actually does work. BTW, because I have only recently re-subscribed I missed Rik's post. Could someone forward it to me please ? 73s Steve Olney (VK2ZTO/AXSO - QF56IK : Lat -33 34 07, Long +150 44 40) ============================================= HomePage URL: http://www.qsl.net/vk2zto Containing:- ULF, ELF, VLF & LF Experimentation MF 22m Experimentation InfraSonic Experimentation Laser Comms DX Amateur Radio Astronomy =============================================