Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28457 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 20:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 20:35:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 20817 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 20:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 20:35:24 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Co57-0004e8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 20:28:21 +0000 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.129]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Co55-0004de-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 20:28:19 +0000 Received: from xtr743187 ([202.27.181.150]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20011208202659.ZSGD28825.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 09:26:59 +1300 Message-ID: <007401c18027$30ba9a60$96b51bca@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200112081848.fB8ImJV13723@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Subject: Re: Re: LF: Mains hum Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 09:29:55 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, In the discussions there has been mention of mains hum on interconnections, and mains hum on VLF/LF radio reception. Both are fair game. Mains hum on cables --------------------- The main method of control is to use suitable audio isolating transformers. These can be salvaged from surplus modem cards. Some of these have quite good frequency response (telephone audio bandwidth) but others could be lacking in low end response and attenuate 50 Hz signal that is actually present in a signal. For the likes of Argo viewing, it is the CW sidetone frequency that is of most interest, and this is usually an easy frequency for an audio transformer to handle (even if it is designed for 600 ohm applications, sound cards outputs are lo Z but inputs are hi Z (47 k ohms?)). The little transformers can have some leakage flux, so do not place them near mains transformers as otherwise there will be unwanted flux linkages to the "isolating" transformer. I have also had situations where an RF choke used to control RF feedback in a microphone pre-amplifier was the reason for more 50 Hz signal appearing in the microphone output (due to the sum of flux linkages inthe many turns of the RFC). There are several magazine articles for interfacing radios with PCs, for the likes of HF RTTY or PSK-31 operation. As well as audio isolation being recommended for Tx audio and Rx audio, the PTT isolation can be done with an opto-isolator. VLF & LF mains noise ----------------------- Probably comes from switchmode power supplies and lamp dimmer type of domestic apparatus, and is received as a radio signal (can be verified by unplugging the antenna feed). Looks like 50 or 100 Hz "tramlines" on an Argo display. Even if the switching frequency of a switchmode power supply is unstable, the spacing between the lines tracks at 50 or 100 Hz spacing, giving "curved tramlines". As the switchmode supplies have frequencies in the VLF and LF range, that is where most spurious emissions occur, and reduce in density at higher frequencies. Having an antenna separated from mains wiring is the most effective way to reduce pickup of "mains junk" relative to desired radio signals. 73, Bob ZL2CA