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Content preview: Re: LF: 477=OP4 No you see it de F5WK now you dont de F5WK/POk hihi ( but the turning + stopping circle , could be over the UK ? ) Sending OP8 test at the moment with 4 watts Ae feed , 477k dial , may be 10 mW erp [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: e46c171071e4381f0f05c7e52ee5e3ee Subject: Re: LF: Re: 477=OP4 No you see it de F5WK now you dont de F5WK/P Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DC_01CDFA5E.C847A220" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c951017fbc3404 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01CDFA5E.C847A220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: LF: 477=3DOP4 No you see it de F5WK now you dont de F5WK/POk hihi = ( but the turning + stopping circle , could be over the UK ? ) =20 Sending OP8 test at the moment with 4 watts Ae feed , 477k dial = , may be 10 mW erp=20 just decode via tween web sdr >> 18:13 477 G0NBD Op8 -33 dB ! From: Andr=C3=A9 Guy=C3=A9=20 Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:05 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: 477=3DOP4 No you see it de F5WK now you dont de F5WK/P Here I spent last hours for computing this very interesting problem. Now = I am sure, and I can say : using the nice =E2=80=9CMirage=E2=80=9D French Air Forces plane on = supersonic flight, it was easy for Michel to reach Normandy from Paris : = 320 km in 12 minutes, fingers in the nose... So, for me the first possibility is the best choice, indeed ? Andy, F6CNI From: Graham=20 Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:40 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: 477=3DOP4 No you see it de F5WK now you dont de F5WK/P OK : )=20 Well the first option is out , (unless 2CV ? ) Op should not decode with less than 50% of the data , so that = should only be a - 3 dB drop ? qsb would help=20 Probably the costal affect , changing the bearing from true to = actual ! 73 -G.. From: Michel Brunel=20 Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:35 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: 477=3DOP4 No you see it de F5WK now you dont de F5WK/P Graham, there are several possibilities: - I'm fast, definitely fast. - I'm operating two receiving stations, one near Paris, the other one in = Normandy=20 - I've been testing a K9AY antenna aimed at 35=C2=B0 and did'nt even = think it could receive a signal in your direction.=20 - I did'nt change OPERA's setup at once and caught the end of your = transmission - thus the -10 dB you noticed =20 Pick up one or two ... 73, Michel - F5WK/P 30 km East of Saint Helier (IN99EF) Le jeudi 24 janvier 2013 =C3=A0 01:36:02, Graham =C3=A9crivait : Some very defined time related skip showing with DD2UJ and = , not seen before a quick change of qth by F5WK =20 =20 No you see it de F5WK now you don't de F5WK/P , with a +10 = dB increase in signal near the coast ? =20 73-G. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 00:15 477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -13 dB in Wootton Bassett, = SW Eng with 0.1w=20 00:15 477 G0NBD de DG8RW Op4 696 mi -25 dB in Wiesau JN69CV = with 0.1w + 40ft top 00:02 477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -13 dB in Wootton Bassett, = SW Eng with 0.1w=20 00:02 477 G0NBD de F5WK/P Op4 297 mi -13 dB in Normandy with = 0.1w + 40ft top loa *********** = 24/01/2013 *********** =20 23:50 477 G0NBD de DG8RW Op4 696 mi -30 dB in Wiesau JN69CV = with 0.1w + 40ft top 23:50 477 G0NBD de F5WK/P Op4 297 mi -13 dB in Normandy with = 0.1w + 40ft top loa 23:50 477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -13 dB in Wootton Bassett, = SW Eng with 0.1w=20 23:38 477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -13 dB in Wootton Bassett, = SW Eng with 0.1w=20 23:38 477 G0NBD de F5WK Op4 412 mi -25 dB in Paris with 0.1w + = 40ft top load inv 23:25 477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -13 dB in Wootton Bassett, = SW Eng with 0.1w=20 23:13 477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -14 dB in Wootton Bassett, = SW Eng with 0.1w=20 23:13 477 G0NBD de DG8RW Op4 696 mi -28 dB in Wiesau JN69CV = with 0.1w + 40ft top 23:01 477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -13 dB in Wootton Bassett, = SW Eng with 0.1w=20 22:48 477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -14 dB in Wootton Bassett, = SW Eng with 0.1w=20 22:36 477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -13 dB in Wootton Bassett, = SW Eng with 0.1w=20 22:24 477 G0NBD de DG8RW Op4 696 mi -32 dB in Wiesau JN69CV = with 0.1w + 40ft top 22:23 477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -13 dB in Wootton Bassett, = SW Eng with 0.1w=20 22:19 477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -14 dB in Wootton Bassett, = SW Eng with 0.1w=20 22:15 477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -13 dB in Wootton Bassett, = SW Eng with 0.1w=20 22:11 477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -13 dB in Wootton Bassett, = SW Eng with 0.1w=20 22:07 477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -12 dB in Wootton Bassett, = SW Eng with 0.1w=20 22:03 477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -13 dB in Wootton Bassett, = SW Eng with 0.1w=20 21:59 477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -13 dB in Wootton Bassett, = SW Eng with 0.1w=20 21:55 477 G0NBD de G4WGT Op4 21 mi +1 dB in Chorley, IO83qo = with 0.1w + 40ft top 21:50 477 G0NBD de DD2UJ Op4 731 mi -31 dB in nr Dresden with = 0.1w + 40ft top lo 21:50 477 G0NBD de G4WGT Op4 21 mi -2 dB in Chorley, IO83qo = with 0.1w + 40ft top 21:46 477 G0NBD de DG8RW Op4 696 mi -30 dB in Wiesau JN69CV = with 0.1w + 40ft top 21:46 477 G0NBD de DD2UJ Op4 731 mi -21 dB in nr Dresden with = 0.1w + 40ft top lo 21:46 477 G0NBD de G4WGT Op4 21 mi -2 dB in Chorley, IO83qo = with 0.1w + 40ft top 21:37 477 G0NBD de DD2UJ Op4 731 mi -18 dB in nr Dresden with = 0.1w + 40ft top lo 21:37 477 G0NBD de G4WGT Op4 21 mi -3 dB in Chorley, IO83qo = with 0.1w + 40ft top=20 -- ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01CDFA5E.C847A220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: LF: 477=3DOP4 No you see it de F5WK now you dont = de F5WK/P
Ok    hihi  ( but the  turning  +=20 stopping  circle , could  be  over the  UK ? )  =
 
Sending  OP8  test  at the  moment  = with  4=20 watts  Ae  feed  , 477k dial , may  be   = 10=20 mW   erp
 
just  decode  via  tween   web  = sdr =20 >> 18:13 477=20 G0NBD Op8 -33 dB !

Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:05 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: LF: Re: 477=3DOP4 No you see it de F5WK now you = dont de=20 F5WK/P

Here I spent last hours for computing this very interesting = problem. Now I=20 am sure, and I can say  :
 
using the nice =E2=80=9CMirage=E2=80=9D French Air Forces plane on = supersonic flight, it=20 was easy for Michel to reach Normandy from Paris : 320 km in 12 minutes, = fingers=20 in the nose...
 
So, for me the first possibility is the best choice, indeed ?
 
Andy, F6CNI
 
From: Graham
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 477=3DOP4 No you see it de F5WK now you = dont de=20 F5WK/P
 
OK : )
 
Well the  first option is  out , (unless  2CV ? = )
 
Op should  not  decode  with  less  = than =20 50%  of the  data  , so  that  should  = only =20 be a   - 3 dB  drop ? qsb  would help
 
Probably the  costal  affect  , changing  = the =20 bearing  from   true to  actual  !
 
 
73 -G..
 
 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:35 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: 477=3DOP4 No you see it de F5WK now you = dont de=20 F5WK/P
 
Graham, there are = several=20 possibilities:

- I'm fast, = definitely=20 fast.

- I'm operating two receiving stations, one = near=20 Paris, the other one in Normandy

- I've been testing a K9AY = antenna=20 aimed at 35=C2=B0 and did'nt even think it could receive a signal in = your direction.=20

- I did'nt change OPERA's setup at once and caught the end of = your=20 transmission - thus the -10 dB you noticed 

Pick up one or = two=20 ...

73,

Michel - F5WK/P  30 km East of Saint Helier=20 (IN99EF)



Le jeudi 24 janvier 2013 =C3=A0 01:36:02, Graham = =C3=A9crivait=20 :


 Some very = defined =20 time  related  skip  showing  with  = DD2UJ =20 and  , not  seen before a  quick  change = of =20 qth  by F5WK  
 
No you see = it   de=20 F5WK   now you don't   de F5WK/P  , with = a =20 +10 dB  increase in signal  near the coast =20 ?
 
73-G.
 
 
3D""
 
 
 
 
00:15  = ; =20 477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -13 dB in Wootton Bassett, SW Eng = with 0.1w=20
00:15    477 G0NBD de DG8RW Op4 696 mi -25 dB = in Wiesau=20 JN69CV with 0.1w + 40ft top
00:02    477 G0NBD = de G4MDH=20 Op4 139 mi -13 dB in Wootton Bassett, SW Eng with 0.1w=20
00:02    477 G0NBD de F5WK/P Op4 297 mi -13 = dB in=20 Normandy with 0.1w + 40ft top=20 = loa
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;     =20 ***********  24/01/2013  *********** =20
23:50    477 G0NBD de DG8RW Op4 696 mi -30 dB = in Wiesau=20 JN69CV with 0.1w + 40ft top
23:50    477 = G0NBD de=20 F5WK/P Op4 297 mi -13 dB in Normandy with 0.1w + 40ft top=20 loa
23:50    477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi = -13 dB in=20 Wootton Bassett, SW Eng with 0.1w
23:38    477 = G0NBD de=20 G4MDH Op4 139 mi -13 dB in Wootton Bassett, SW Eng with 0.1w=20
23:38    477 G0NBD de F5WK Op4 412 mi -25 dB = in=20 Paris with 0.1w + 40ft top load inv
23:25    = 477=20 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -13 dB in Wootton Bassett, SW Eng with = 0.1w=20
23:13    477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -14 dB = in=20 Wootton Bassett, SW Eng with 0.1w
23:13    477 = G0NBD de=20 DG8RW Op4 696 mi -28 dB in Wiesau JN69CV with 0.1w + 40ft=20 top
23:01    477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -13 = dB in=20 Wootton Bassett, SW Eng with 0.1w
22:48    477 = G0NBD de=20 G4MDH Op4 139 mi -14 dB in Wootton Bassett, SW Eng with 0.1w=20
22:36    477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -13 dB = in=20 Wootton Bassett, SW Eng with 0.1w
22:24    477 = G0NBD de=20 DG8RW Op4 696 mi -32 dB in Wiesau JN69CV with 0.1w + 40ft=20 top
22:23    477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -13 = dB in=20 Wootton Bassett, SW Eng with 0.1w
22:19    477 = G0NBD de=20 G4MDH Op4 139 mi -14 dB in Wootton Bassett, SW Eng with 0.1w=20
22:15    477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -13 dB = in=20 Wootton Bassett, SW Eng with 0.1w
22:11    477 = G0NBD de=20 G4MDH Op4 139 mi -13 dB in Wootton Bassett, SW Eng with 0.1w=20
22:07    477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -12 dB = in=20 Wootton Bassett, SW Eng with 0.1w
22:03    477 = G0NBD de=20 G4MDH Op4 139 mi -13 dB in Wootton Bassett, SW Eng with 0.1w=20
21:59    477 G0NBD de G4MDH Op4 139 mi -13 dB = in=20 Wootton Bassett, SW Eng with 0.1w
21:55    477 = G0NBD de=20 G4WGT Op4 21 mi +1 dB in Chorley, IO83qo with 0.1w + 40ft=20 top
21:50    477 G0NBD de DD2UJ Op4 731 mi -31 = dB in nr=20 Dresden with 0.1w + 40ft top lo
21:50    477 = G0NBD de=20 G4WGT Op4 21 mi -2 dB in Chorley, IO83qo with 0.1w + 40ft=20 top
21:46    477 G0NBD de DG8RW Op4 696 mi -30 = dB in=20 Wiesau JN69CV with 0.1w + 40ft top
21:46    477 = G0NBD de=20 DD2UJ Op4 731 mi -21 dB in nr Dresden with 0.1w + 40ft top=20 lo
21:46    477 G0NBD de G4WGT Op4 21 mi -2 dB = in=20 Chorley, IO83qo with 0.1w + 40ft top
21:37    = 477 G0NBD=20 de DD2UJ Op4 731 mi -18 dB in nr Dresden with 0.1w + 40ft top=20 lo
21:37    477 G0NBD de G4WGT Op4 21 mi -3 dB = in=20 Chorley, IO83qo with 0.1w + 40ft=20 top




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