Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mp05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mp05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.193.73]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD062-8b894d8e872127; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 20:38:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 670E738000144; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 20:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Q3dzC-0005ku-Rm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 00:37:42 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Q3dzB-0005kl-U8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 00:37:41 +0000 Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.96]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3dz9-0004fT-P4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 00:37:41 +0000 Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Q0aD1g0051ap0As590dalT; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 00:37:34 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Q0dZ1g00M2DDHkk3i0dZzf; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 00:37:34 +0000 Message-ID: <006e01cbec17$2c9757f0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <008001cbe71a$472d7b00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1300648453.2368.16.camel@gerhard-desktop> <002301cbe74d$385936e0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <1301093963.1739.15.camel@gerhard-desktop> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 20:37:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: VLF Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1494d8e871f6b45 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Gerhard Thanks for the info. Nice work! Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerhard Hickl" To: Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 6:59 PM Subject: Re: LF: VLF > Hello Jay! > > Sorry for my late reply.... > > My former is the rest of a 400l barrel made out of an unknown plastics. > Once it was filled with activated coal and used for filtering air > contaminated by fuel-vapour. When I got it, it was empty and the coal > was removed. > > I sawed off the bottom and the top. Still it is heavy but stiff. > > The outer diameter is 725mm, thickness of the material is about 10mm. > > 73 > OE3GHB > Gerhard > > > > > > > > > Am Sonntag, den 20.03.2011, 18:21 -0400 schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net: >> Gerhard >> >> Nice looking coil. What are you using for a form? >> >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gerhard Hickl" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 3:14 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: VLF >> >> >> > Hello Mal, group! >> > >> > As far as I know, Markus and Ossi both use multi layer coils. They are >> > very compact but with the known problems regarding insulation. I think >> > Markus meanwhile has also a single-layer "stack"-type...some flower pots >> > building a stack. >> > >> > My coil is a single layer type with variometer inside. Basically the >> > same design that Stefan has in use, just a bit bigger. >> > >> > It is calculated for about 100m vertical wire (=roughly 600pf, pretty >> > much the same as my fixed antenna has) and the inductance is about 450 >> > to 575mH. DC-resistance is about 140R. >> > >> > I will have to make some taps for longer wires (kite) but I had no >> > chance to give it a try. >> > >> > See the two pictures enclosed. >> > >> > I was transmitting from about 00:00z today until now on 8969.98 with a >> > break of about 90 minutes in the early afternoon. I switched to full >> > power roughly at 10z. The power I used before was about 6db lower in >> > order to maintain safety while the equipment was unattended. This >> > produced a nice trace on Paul's receiver. >> > >> > >> > 73 >> > OE3GHB >> > Gerhard >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Am Sonntag, den 20.03.2011, 16:17 +0000 schrieb mal hamilton: >> >> It looks like all VLF acty has ceased today. No indication about what >> >> is going on. >> >> Those using large coils to resonate kites and balloons, are these >> >> coils single layer or pile wound, multi layer etc >> >> A lot of turns would be needed for single layer and insulation >> >> breakdown could be a problem for pile/lump wound. >> >> de mal/g3kev >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >