Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDB094-ae2481f4c553ca; Mon, 05 May 2008 14:05:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB088-ae2481f4c553ca; Mon, 05 May 2008 14:05:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Jt53O-0003yx-PB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 May 2008 19:04:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Jt53O-0003yo-6k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 May 2008 19:04:46 +0100 Received: from f2phy.netins.net ([167.142.229.65] helo=cgp.netins.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Jt53K-0007x4-TV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 May 2008 19:04:46 +0100 X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [167.142.33.174] (account donnatom@netins.net HELO YOUR4DACD0EA75) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1673896937 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 May 2008 13:04:34 -0500 From: "Dr. Tom Gruis" To: Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 13:04:35 -0500 Message-ID: <006e01c8aeda$7a3dc070$4100a8c0@YOUR4DACD0EA75> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <004801c8aed8$214491d0$0301a8c0@g3kev> Thread-Index: Aciu2DoKHl7cs5fyRo2eABS0TcsVygAAUUlQ X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: ZAP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? Hello from Iowa in the US - EN31do, Very interesting. Such technology could be reasonably expected to exist. I agree with your observations totally. Granted that my anecdote is about 10 years olde: a man I used to work with at that time was a retired US Navy Chief and had recently visited a new at that time ship. He was not allowed full access but did take note of a CW key under a neat plastic cover sitting at one end of the operating desk. He asked what and the rejoinder: "It always works!" I opposed the abandonment of the code for several reason and levels - and still do! When I was still teaching I insisted my math students know the multiplication table! I did a lot of defending - but - I am right!!! 73, Doc. ________________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 12:48 To: rsgb Subject: LF: ZAP A recent newspaper report indicates a certain country building up its ability to ZAP all appliance communications systems ie Satellite and Internet systems. and do not forget SATNAV systems. Bring back Loran and associated nav systems for dependibility with some national control. That leaves the average radio amateur appliance operator out of the comms business. Those CW operators with real radios and ability to operate them will be the only source of communications in the end. Govt agencies also take notice. Real radio amateurs with basic CW and RF skills should be encouraged. Some might critize these observations but BEWARE I have heard stories of ships with the latest communications appliance devices being unable to contact shore stations and only managed because some senior staff qualified radio officers on board took over using CW. This could be the reason why some govt agencies are reluctant to release the 500 khz CW band and mothballed some costal stations, in fact some ships are still equipped with MF/HF equipment as well as Sat systems. G3KEV