Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21800 invoked from network); 4 Oct 1999 13:50:13 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 4 Oct 1999 13:50:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 1526 invoked from network); 4 Oct 1999 12:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 4 Oct 1999 12:56:04 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11Y7Kf-0002eo-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Oct 1999 13:35:09 +0100 Received: from [143.179.236.32] (helo=Lesothosaurus.big-orange.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11Y7Ke-0002ej-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Oct 1999 13:35:08 +0100 Received: from w8k3f0 ([143.179.150.114]) by Lesothosaurus.big-orange.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA19FB for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:35:00 +0200 Message-ID: <006c01bf0e66$124f4060$7296b38f@w8k3f0> From: "Dick Rollema" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: Receivers Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:17:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: To All from PA0SE Bob, ZL2CA wrote: >I am not aware of a >standard test method to produce measured results of how a receiver >performs in noise to signal ratio situations (especially with impulse >QRN on LF), but that particular aspect would be of great interest to >this discussion group. What an excellent treatise by Bob. Well done! I tested the impulse response of my 35 Hz wide audio bandpass filter by feeding an audio signal at the centre frequency to it, chopped by a relay contact; the relay being driven from a multivibrator at a speed corresponding to dots of the morse code. The output signal of the filter is viewed on a oscilloscope. The timebase is triggered by the multivibrator so that a steady picture is presented on the screen. Take care of proper source and load impedances! My filter shows after the response to each audio block ends a second response, but much smaller than the main one. The slopes of the blocks of audio become rounded of course. By increasing the repetition speed one can observe where the "dots" run together, which is the limit of the speed that can be handled. However it is more realistic to listen to the output of the filter. It is then easy to determine what the maximum number of words per minute is the filter can pass. You can do the same with some circuit analysis programs for the computer. This is what Harry, PA0LQ, did who designed the prototype of the filter I use. The same test can be performed on a receiver by chopping the output of a signal generator connected to the antenna-input. 73, Dick, PA0SE