Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-di02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 529A33800009A; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1TMkBX-0006a1-W4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 19:42:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1TMkBX-0006Zs-4Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 19:42:11 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TMkBU-000532-QO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 19:42:10 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhYFADVEeFBOk8VF/2dsb2JhbABErVaSCIEJghsFAQEFCAEBAxovAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYMCggGEwoBAgIBAYdhAwYNB6wYjj0EimxmFQaGIgONaYYzjHSFDYJtgVsI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,576,1344207600"; d="scan'208,217";a="406095339" Received: from host-78-147-197-69.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.197.69]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 12 Oct 2012 19:42:06 +0100 Message-ID: <006b01cda8a9$46df9690$0501a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <50783F5D.60809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <005001cda8a3$dc6059d0$0501a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <50785D41.5030100@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:42:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 4.4 (++++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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There was NIL acty on LF or MF de Mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schäfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 6:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR on the 630m band [...] Content analysis details: (4.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 4.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 571129b349252c35b2bc09d7a1c6d0f3 Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR on the 630m band Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01CDA8A9.46A65E20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1da606507864ae1f60 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CDA8A9.46A65E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan=20 I build during daytime and work DX night time. Worked the Antartic = (South Shetland Is ) earlier on today on HF CW. There was NIL acty on LF or MF=20 de Mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 6:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR on the 630m band No, i did not go to bed, i built (with happiness) a converter for 475 = kHz until 4 AM local time! This is not an appliance operator syndrome = :-) Now we're all playing our role again, isn't that fine?! :-) Like in = the good old days ;-) 73, Stefan Am 12.10.2012 20:03, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Yes Stefan=20 You go to bed and leave a machine churning out Beacon callsign es = Locator. That is not amateur radio but Appliance Operator black box = syndrome.=20 You do not need to be a Radio Amateur for such operations just a = plug and play Robot I suppose this approach avoids perfecting a Receiver that works, = just rely on the Internet for some sort of response. de G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: Vasily Savchenko=20 Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 4:03 PM Subject: LF: WSPR on the 630m band MF! Last night i built a transmit converter which allows me to = transmit WSPR on 630m now. Yes yes yes yes yes Mal, CW is preferred! But many OMs go to bed = quite early i find. Not so their PCs, they run over night, and so my = transmitter will do this weekend if all goes right. :-) I'm not present = in the shack anyway, so no chance for CW... I'm using normal WSPR, not the slow versions. Right now the first tests are running and i check if the system = becomes to warm. The design of this mixer is quite chaotic but i like it :-) It is = a modular system...: First, a tone of 14700 Hz is generated by the WSPR = program. Is is decoupled from anything by an audio isolating = transformer. This signal is applied to a SA612 mixer. The LO (461 kHz) = in this test setup comes fom my DDS VFO which is used in the first VLF = experiments. The output looks very well as expected on the scope. = Filtering of mixing products is done in my MF meachanical filter which = is use in front of the receiver normally! I've published the nearly = perfect filter curve some weeks ago. Of course the sine wave coming out = from the filter looks very well! This sine wave is applied to an OP AMP = which is switched as a comparator. I've added a small hysteresis (10 = MOhm / 47k) to prevent an oscillating output when there is no input = signal. Works well! The output of the OP AMP is fed to a ICL7667 (FET = driver) which makes a low impedant output. In series with 1 Ohm and 1 uF = this rectanfgular waveform is applied to a small ferrite toroid with a = trifilar winding. So this output is again galvanically decoupled from = the circuit and provides an opposite phase rectangular signal at 475.7 = kHz.=20 Since my PA was/is designed to have a 4f input (1900 kHz -> 475 = kHz out) i had to make a tap behind the divider, so i have to take care = to maintain the 50 % duty cycle in the new circuit. The new external = drive signal from the converter is applied by a simple headphone = jack/plug! I actually found a 3.5mm stereo-jack with dimensions 10mm x = 5mm and also found a few holes to add this on the board. So the PA is = now able to run as before and additionally with this new converter...... The AF signal levels and the LO signal level is critical. Choosing = wrong values will change the 50% duty cycle which will quickly kill the = FETs in this PA design. So i'm using an old modified PC power supply = that will shut down quickly if the current exceeds a certain limit... After writing this email the PA became hand warm so it looks all = fine. I will go down to 50% TX duty cycle now and even receive during = the breaks in WSPR. However the MF filter is now used for the TX so the = RX performance may be slightly lowered... Reports about my transmissions on 475.700 kHz are very welcomed. = I'm also receiving and uploading to the WSPR database... Maybe i will run the test until monday :-) Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/stuff.JPG ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CDA8A9.46A65E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan
I build during daytime and work DX night time. = Worked the=20 Antartic (South Shetland Is ) earlier on today on HF = CW.
There was NIL acty on LF or MF =
de Mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 = 6:11=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR on = the 630m=20 band

No, i did not go to bed, i built (with happiness) a = converter=20 for 475 kHz until 4 AM local time! This is not an appliance operator = syndrome=20 :-)

Now we're all playing our role again, isn't that fine?! :-) = Like in=20 the good old days ;-)

73, Stefan


Am 12.10.2012 = 20:03,=20 schrieb mal hamilton:=20
Yes Stefan
You go to bed and leave a machine churning = out Beacon=20 callsign es Locator. That is not amateur radio but Appliance = Operator black=20 box syndrome.
You do not need to be a Radio Amateur for = such=20 operations just a plug and play Robot
I suppose this approach avoids perfecting a = Receiver=20 that works, just rely on the Internet for some sort of=20 response.
 
de G3KEV
 
-----=20 Original Message ----- From:=20 Stefan Sch=E4fer To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc:=20 Vasily Savchenko Sent:=20 Friday, October 12, 2012 4:03 PM Subject:=20 LF: WSPR on the 630m band

MF!

Last night i built a transmit converter = which=20 allows me to transmit WSPR on 630m now.

Yes yes yes = yes yes=20 Mal, CW is preferred! But many OMs go to bed quite early i find. = Not so=20 their PCs, they run over night, and so my transmitter will do this = weekend=20 if all goes right. :-) I'm not present in the shack anyway, so no = chance=20 for CW...

I'm using normal WSPR, not the slow = versions.

Right now the first tests are running and i check = if the=20 system becomes to warm.

The design of this mixer is quite = chaotic=20 but i like it :-) It is a modular system...: First, a tone of = 14700 Hz is=20 generated by the WSPR program. Is is decoupled from anything by an = audio=20 isolating transformer. This signal is applied to a SA612 mixer. = The LO=20 (461 kHz) in this test setup comes fom my DDS VFO which is used in = the=20 first VLF experiments. The output looks very well as expected on = the=20 scope. Filtering of mixing products is done in my MF meachanical = filter=20 which is use in front of the receiver normally! I've published the = nearly=20 perfect filter curve some weeks ago. Of course the sine wave = coming out=20 from the filter looks very well! This sine wave is applied to an = OP AMP=20 which is switched as a comparator. I've added a small hysteresis = (10 MOhm=20 / 47k) to prevent an oscillating output when there is no input = signal.=20 Works well! The output of the OP AMP is fed to a ICL7667 (FET = driver)=20 which makes a low impedant output. In series with 1 Ohm and 1 uF = this=20 rectanfgular waveform is applied to a small ferrite toroid with a = trifilar=20 winding. So this output is again galvanically decoupled from the = circuit=20 and provides an opposite phase rectangular signal at 475.7 kHz. =
Since=20 my PA was/is designed to have a 4f input (1900 kHz -> 475 kHz = out) i=20 had to make a tap behind the divider, so i have to take care to = maintain=20 the 50 % duty cycle in the new circuit. The new external drive = signal from=20 the converter is applied by a simple headphone jack/plug! I = actually found=20 a 3.5mm stereo-jack with dimensions 10mm x 5mm and also found a = few holes=20 to add this on the board. So the PA is now able to run as before = and=20 additionally with this new converter......

The AF signal = levels and=20 the LO signal level is critical. Choosing wrong values will change = the 50%=20 duty cycle which will quickly kill the FETs in this PA design. So = i'm=20 using an old modified PC power supply that will shut down quickly = if the=20 current exceeds a certain limit...

After writing this email = the PA=20 became hand warm so it looks all fine. I will go down to 50% TX = duty cycle=20 now and even receive during the breaks in WSPR. However the MF = filter is=20 now used for the TX so the RX performance may be slightly=20 lowered...

Reports about my transmissions on 475.700 kHz = are=20 very welcomed. I'm also receiving and uploading to the WSPR=20 database...
Maybe i will run the test until monday = :-)

Best=20 73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/stuff.JPG
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