Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILINMC021-d654a97ef8786; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:54:36 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC035-d654a97ef8786; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:54:01 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Mh2ov-0004vH-H8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:52:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Mh2ou-0004v8-Rk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:52:52 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Mh2o4-00074H-Ou for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:52:02 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjIFAPCLl0pZ8Y6a/2dsb2JhbACCJy+CI4h6BstSgieBcgU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.241.142.154]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2009 15:52:39 +0100 Message-ID: <006601ca27ef$3024de30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <9afca2640908261406r3ced27fr31bbca942848a291@mail.gmail.com> <005701ca2707$438a4570$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <9afca2640908270502q3136dd1cjf52d2666eedeed94@mail.gmail.com> <009c01ca2731$2d5e0e60$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <9afca2640908271133v7eea7f18r7855a822514399a4@mail.gmail.com> <847F3A04E31C413A81AD022BDC11AD46@JimPC> <004b01ca27c9$cefc9550$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <9afca2640908280609g31cfe8buf0611f69aee19d75@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:52:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 137kHz WSPR - what frequency? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0063_01CA27F7.91807240" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01CA27F7.91807240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger I have used just about every digital mode invented. I had a BBS= for years GB7KEV main line East coast relay and delivery system. I had gateways vhf/uhf to HF and used PACKET, AMTOR, PACTOR and MSYS= software, as well I used RTTY and PSK and in more recent times I have= tried all the so called innovative data modes and I am not impressed= when it comes to real time QSO activity. I learned morse at an early age and how to speak therefore I prefer to= use CW and SSB and the bulk of radio amateurs seem to think likewise= because the amateur bands are full of CW and SSB acty with only a min= ority using data modes by comparison. One non morse mode that seems po= pular is RTTY. I learned to touch type also at an early age and find= this useful when I divert from morse the odd time and useful for emai= ls on the computer keyboard. >From my experience I find CW the most appropriate mode for LF/MF becau= se of propagation characteristics on these bands but I am sure other= non morse modes would be suitable on the HF bands. Thanks for your input and point of view. de mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 137kHz WSPR - what frequency? Dear Mal, Both CW and digital modes have their place and their merits. Many he= re enjoy using both; certainly I do. =20 73s and see you on CW sometime. Roger G3XBM 2009/8/28 mal hamilton Who are the 'us guys' the majority of LF/MF operators are on CW,= have a look at the list of operators that I sent yesterday. Jim you= appear the odd time and your CW has got worse I expect its WSPR for= you or nothing. By all means ignore my observations but I get a lot= of positive feedback from experienced radio amateurs and professional= s in the electronics field and Nonsense most of the time from data App= liance Operators. CW requires operator skill but machine generated data modes only= needs an observer. Watch the kettle boil operator. Commercial operators use data modes to shift large amounts of info= rmation, hardly a requirement for a radio amateur exchanging name and= signal strength. CW is ideally suited for short real time exchanges= between radio amateurs. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:18 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 137kHz WSPR - what frequency? Dear Roger, LF Group, Please bear in mind that G3KEV does not speak for "us guys", onl= y himself. Over the years we have learned to ignore him most of the time -= if we took much notice, we would all have given up a long time ago. If you look in the WSPR on-line database specifying the band as= "LF/VLF", you will see that there has been quite a lot of WSPR activity ov= er the last year on 136k and 500k, which has been one of the more successful= digital modes in this part of the spectrum. The points you make regardin= g narrow bandwidth and low power are certainly useful at LF/MF. The summe= r months are usually rather lacking in activity due to the short nights and= high QRN, but activity, no doubt including WSPR, will be picking up soon as we= get into autumn. The M0BMU LF/MF station is currently QRT due to a recent visit= from relatives - all those pretty coloured wires and 3-year-olds don'= t really mix! It will probably be put back together this weekend though,= so if you are interested in trying WSPR on 136k or 500k, let me know. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Lapthorn" To: Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 137kHz WSPR - what frequency? ...But it's *not* my place to tell you guys how to use the LF ba= nds so with this, I'll leave you to it and get back on 10m WSPR, CW and SS= B. Good luck with whatever modes you enjoy. Roger 73s G3XBM ------------------------------------------------------------------= -------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.69/2328 - Release Date:= 08/26/09 12:16:00 --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.71/2331 - Release Date: 08= /28/09 06:26:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01CA27F7.91807240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roger I have used just about every di= gital mode=20 invented. I had a BBS for years GB7KEV main line East coast relay and= delivery=20 system.
I had gateways vhf/uhf to HF and used= PACKET,=20 AMTOR, PACTOR and MSYS software, as well I used RTTY and PSK and in mo= re recent=20 times I have tried all the so called innovative data modes and I = am=20 not impressed when it comes to real time QSO activity.
I learned morse at an early age and&n= bsp;how to=20 speak therefore I prefer to use CW and SSB and the bulk= of radio=20 amateurs seem to think likewise because the amateur bands are ful= l of CW=20 and SSB acty with only a minority using data modes by= =20 comparison. One non morse mode that seems popular is RTTY.= I learned=20 to touch type also at an early age and find this useful when I divert= from morse=20 the odd time and useful for emails on the computer keyboard.
From my experience I find CW the most= appropriate=20 mode for LF/MF because of propagation characteristics on these bands= but I am=20 sure other non morse modes would be suitable on the HF bands.
Thanks for your input and point of=20 view.
 
de mal/g3kev
    
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009= 2:09=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: 137kHz= WSPR - what=20 frequency?

Dear Mal,

Both CW and digital modes have their= place and=20 their merits. Many here enjoy using both; certainly I do.&nbs= p;=20

73s and see you on CW=20 sometime.

Roger
G3XBM





2009/8/28 mal hamilton <= g3kevmal@talktalk.net= >
Who=20 are the 'us guys' the majority of LF/MF operators are on CW, have= a look at=20 the list of operators that I sent yesterday. Jim you appear the od= d time and=20 your CW has got worse I expect its WSPR for you or nothing. By all= means=20 ignore my observations but I get a lot of positive feedback from= experienced=20 radio amateurs and professionals in the electronics field and Nons= ense most=20 of the time from data Appliance Operators.
CW requires operator= skill but=20 machine generated data modes only needs an observer. Watch the ket= tle boil=20 operator.
Commercial operators use data modes to shift large am= ounts of=20 information, hardly a requirement for a radio amateur exchanging= name and=20 signal strength. CW is ideally suited for short real time exchange= s between=20 radio amateurs.

g3kev

----- Original Message -----= From:=20 "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>

To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday,=20 August 27, 2009 9:18 PM

Subject: Re: LF: Re: 137kHz WSPR - what=20 frequency?


D= ear=20 Roger, LF Group,

Please bear in mind that G3KEV does not= speak for=20 "us guys", only himself.
Over the years we have learned to ig= nore him=20 most of the time - if we took
much notice, we would all have= given up a=20 long time ago.

If you look in the WSPR on-line database= specifying=20 the band as "LF/VLF",
you will see that there has been quite= a lot of=20 WSPR activity over the last
year on 136k and 500k, which has= been one=20 of the more successful digital
modes in this part of the spec= trum. The=20 points you make regarding narrow
bandwidth and low power are= certainly=20 useful at LF/MF. The summer months are
usually rather lacking= in=20 activity due to the short nights and high QRN, but
activity,= no doubt=20 including WSPR, will be picking up soon as we get=20 into
autumn.

The M0BMU LF/MF station is currently QRT= due to a=20 recent visit from
relatives - all those pretty coloured wires= and=20 3-year-olds don't really
mix! It will probably be put back to= gether=20 this weekend though, so if you
are interested in trying WSPR= on 136k or=20 500k, let me know.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
<= BR>-----=20 Original Message ----- From: "Roger Lapthorn" <rogerlapt= horn@gmail.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg>
Sent: Thursday,=20 August 27, 2009 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: 137kHz WSPR - wh= at=20 frequency?


...But it's *not* my place to tell you guy= s how to=20 use the LF bands so with
this,=20 I'll leave you to it and get back on 10m WSPR, CW and SSB.=20  Good
luck
with whatever modes you=20 enjoy.

Roger
73s
G3XBM




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