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(VPS 100816-0, 16/08/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Earth electrode antenna tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m259.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64c695f0d78ae X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Tony, why do you think the directivity is wrong? It looks as though they are operating like loops with the majority of the loop area in the ground. This is a fairly common appreciation of ground "aerials" though Dave Gibson doesnt seem to agree :-)) Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 3:35 PM Subject: LF: Earth electrode antenna tests > Yesterday I spent some time playing with different antennae. > I started by laying out another wire 52m long orientated roughly > north/south and then I shortened my original wire also to be 52m and > this one is east/west, both terminated with an earth rod. > Results were not as expected however as although the two earth electrode > antennae show most definite directivity they were the wrong direction. > > I monitored BBC R. Bristol on 1548 KHz which is about 500 Km due east of > me and on the inverted L (tuned VSWR 1.6:1) I could just detect a > carrier heterodyne, on the N/S earth electrode antenna it was S1 but on > the E/W earth electrode antenna it was S3. > RNE5 on 531 KHz about 960 Km due south of me was S3 on the E/W and S8 on > the N/S > > HGA22 (135 KHz) to my east was S4 on the E/W and S1 on N/S > > Readings were taken about 12:00 utc so most definitely ground wave. > > I was expecting the directivity to be broadside on the earth electrode > antennae, but they seem to behave like a Beverage in that respect, but > something that I think I will investigate further, maybe see if there is > any difference if I terminate them with a resistor. > I'm sure Mal is correct though that they would be useless to TX through > but for RX they seem to have possibilities especially after dark as they > are a lot quieter. > > All good fun. > 73, Tony, EI8JK. >