Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8FD9B3800008F; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RLgHl-0005YD-29 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:15:41 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RLgHk-0005Y4-Ed for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:15:40 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RLgHi-00031X-OY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:15:40 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjwCAIqWsU5cF/Ma/2dsb2JhbABDiTKQQg+OZoEHgQaBbQUBAQUIAQEDSQIQHAEBAwUCAQMRBAEBAQklFAEECBIGFggGEwoBAgIBAYdztTGJEASHVpZ5hyo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,445,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="359980498" Received: from host-92-23-243-26.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.243.26]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 02 Nov 2011 19:15:31 +0000 Message-ID: <006101cc9993$c87dc670$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002301cc997d$217d8e20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><003801cc9982$a3f0d790$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><005301cc998f$2876a920$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:15:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 5 Whats? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:493363616:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410a4eb197213098 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Warren A magazine I expect that I am not familiar with mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 6:59 PM Subject: Re: LF: 5 Whats? Mal, Matthew 5:5 King James version 73 Warren On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 2:42 PM, mal hamilton wrote: > Correct !! especially over your way but in the UK the Appliance Operator > punter thinks only in terms of uWatts. Just read the emails on here. > de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 6:30 PM > Subject: Re: LF: 5 Whats? > > > Mal, > > I know some hams here that seem interested in 500kHz but when > they find out the ARRL experimental license is for 20W ERP CW, PSK and > WSPR on a total band of 27kHz they lose interest. > > I image that even fewer will be interested in 5W and 8 kHz > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 1:08 PM, mal hamilton wrote: >> Warren >> At the present time it is a Bodge anyway. I can understand the commercial >> interest, also a lot of Hams are not really interested in the band. There >> are only about 3 UK stns that I hear on the odd time in QSO mode, a few >> others around EU are belching out beacons and QSL via internet, hardly >> impressive to those that issue Permits. If the plug was pulled I would not >> be too concerned because 160 metres is similar but has a big occupancy > with >> QSO MODE being the norm, mostly CW with some SSB. >> On LF it is the same tale, although this is now an International band > there >> is very little interest, in fact the band occupancy has gone down over the >> years. >> It is now the same half dozen on the band daily and mostly Beacon mode qsl >> via internet. The odd QRS 600000000000 does take place but virtually no > CW. >> At present I would say that LF es MF is a total waste of time and effort >> I have 4 nice Decca amps Hi Band for 137 going Rusty!!!!!!! in spite of > this >> I am still using my 1Kw h/brew. CQ on CW but no replies. >> >> mal/g3kev >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Warren Ziegler" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 4:41 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: 5 Whats? >> >> >> Mal, >> >> The maritime industry trade group has been pushing back against >> hams on 500kHz in the hope that they can persuade governments to fund >> a new relatively broadband data service there. >> The maritime group has standing with CEPT and the ITU and they >> apparently have money and effective lobbyists behind them, the hams on >> the other hand are left to pick up scraps that fall off the table and >> are expected to be thankful for them! >> >> -- >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> WD2XGJ >> WD2XSH/23 >> WE2XEB/2 >> WE2XGR/1 >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:33 PM, mal hamilton > wrote: >>> MF >>> How did they arrive at that frequency range? No where near where we are > at >>> present. New VFO'S and Xtals etc >>> de mal/g3kev >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Warren Ziegler" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 3:34 PM >>> Subject: Re: LF: 5 Whats? >>> >>> >>> Hi Laurence, >>> >>> 5 Watts? Do we get to have 40 channels and use a 'power mic' with >>> reverb? >>> Come On! >>> >>> 73 Warren K2ORS >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Laurence KL7UK >>> wrote: >>>> During the meeting of the CEPT WRC-12 Conference Preparatory Group held >> in >>>> Bucharest between November 1st-4th 2011 an European Common Proposal was >>>> agreed. This ECP represents the block vote of 48 administrations and was >>>> passed without dissent. It proposes an allocation to the amateur service >>>> between 472-480 kHz on a secondary basis with a maximum power limit of > 5W >>>> eirp. >>>> This ECP will now be forwarded to the ITU as a contribution from CEPT. >>>> I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of those who >>> participated >>>> in the work of the working group that led to the adoption of this >>>> proposal. Also thanks are due to those European Member Societies who >>>> helped to influence their national administrations in this matter. >>>> Now for WRC-12. >>>> Colin, G3PSM >>>> CEPT Co-ordinator for Agenda Item 1.23 >>>> >>>> >>>> Laurence KL7UK >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 73 Warren K2ORS >>> WD2XGJ >>> WD2XSH/23 >>> WE2XEB/2 >>> WE2XGR/1 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1