Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18636 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2001 08:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2001 08:51:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 6332 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2001 08:45:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 28 Jan 2001 08:45:48 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14MnNf-0007MS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 08:40:15 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14MnNd-0007MN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 08:40:14 +0000 Received: from steve (ppp172.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.172]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA31627 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:39:57 +1100 Message-ID: <006101c08906$639397c0$0301a8c0@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: "RSGB LF Group" Subject: LF: CW allocations... Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:43:14 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day All, As usual in these debates the proponents are wandering off the topic. The original reason for even bothering to respond to any of this was NOT to ban or get rid of CW. Those who have read my posts carefully with an open mind will see that my attitude is quite the contrary. Show me where there was any mention of restricting CW privileges. It was (and still is) the derision and put-downs directed towards those who exercise their right to engage in other modes. To understand the situation the following facts should be considered and be at the forefront of the thinking process when offering opinions. 1. Lack of CW proficiency has been used for a very long time as an instrument to exclude otherwise competent and valuable Amateur expertise from the HF Amateur bands. All Amateurs should have the opportunity to pursue their hobby on the international bands if they desire subject to reaching some agreed technical competence. Only recently has there been a push to relax this discriminatory restriction. Lets hope this fades into history in a few years time. 2. Non-CW types (as we are termed) have been treated as second-class Amateurs by those with CW proficiency for a long time. This is particularly obnoxious for those who have a high degree of technical competence (I exclude myself from this group). The exchanges from one of the most talented CW proponents on this group (according to his own estimation) is a perfect example of this. While people are complaining for the "hostile" humour, why aren't they complaining about that behaviour. I wonder why. Doesn't seem quite balanced to me - but then I am a colonial. I have received more than a few private emails thanking me for my "colonial" humour which serves (in their opinion) to counteract the negative matter posted here and privately to them. This includes a very pathetic personal attack by one the "moral-high grounders" on a very senior member of our fraternity in a private email. To that person, who knows who he is, either have the courage to make your attacks public or better still, send them to me privately - you will find that you will get as good as you give if you want to engage in that sort of pathetic behaviour. But I warn you, it won't distress me one bit. 3. When it comes to debating the allocations for CW in the LF bands the recent arguments seem a bit precious, but I think can see the mind set for this on the HF bands. On every HF band the official WIA band plans show that CW operators can operate virtually anywhere (except for beacon bands and the top half of 10m) while other modes are excluded from RESERVED CW segments (which can range up to nearly half the space on some bands). I guess it is only natural to expect the same deferential attitude on the LF bands :-) Anyway, this has grown tiresome (OK, OK, I guess I am to blame for a good part of it), but I make a plea once again to lighten up fellas. Others seem to be able to co-operate amongst themselves in similar situations. 73s Steve Olney (VK2ZTO/AXSO - QF56IK : Lat -33 34 07, Long +150 44 40) ============================================= HomePage URLs: http://www.qsl.net/vk2zto http://www.zeta.org.au/~ollaneg Containing:- ULF, ELF, VLF & LF Experimentation InfraSonic Experimentation Laser Comms DX Amateur Radio Astronomy =============================================