Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.80]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB013-a1874b4b54c9aa; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:41:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6605B380005C9; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUNJ9-00044g-R7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:39:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUNJ9-00044X-Dp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:39:59 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUNJ6-0002Up-Sk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:39:59 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiQGAGrjSktOlzqW/2dsb2JhbACIJocqyQmELwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,257,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="283193970" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.151.58.150]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 16:39:35 +0000 Message-ID: <005e01ca92dc$a83d23c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <1263222973.15328.20.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:39:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60504b4b54c42c63 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 That was a political decision, the GPO, BBC and others were afraid a mere radio amateur might get ahead of them at the time. The same criteria did not apply in other countries like the USA and others worldwide. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "g4gvw" To: Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... > This discussion seems a bit pointless and is not getting anyone > anywhere. After all, the original AA (Artificial Aerial) licences from > which the modern licence (and by default its ethos) derives was intended > to allow the experimenter to generate Rf with a prohibition on any > effective radiation. > One might also consider the definition of "message" - the presence or > otherwise of a carrier of whatever duration or amplitude might be > considered a "message"! > If you really want to be pedantic, were I not to be an amateur radio > licence holder, would I be permitted to listen to those stations who > have notices of variation etc. From where I'm sitting I cannot determine > whether or not they are "authorised" from the point of view of a > listener under the regulations. > My licence does not appear to require me to transmit anything at any > time. It simply (or with complications) sets out terms and conditions to > which I am expected to adhere when I do radiate RF. > I am getting very concerned that somewhere "out there" is a strange and > mythical figure called "The Perfect Radio Amateur". > > > > > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 12:36 +0000, David Pratt wrote: > > In a recent message, John P-G wrote ... > > > > > >Where is the requirement to pass any message whatsoever? > > > > Clause 1(1)(a) of the Terms, conditions and limitations of your Licence: > > > > The Licensee shall ensure that the Radio Equipment is only used: > > for the purpose of self-training in radio communication, including > > conducting technical investigations.... > > > > The SRP does not replace the Amateur Radio Licence; it is merely an > > addition to it. > > > > To me, radio communication means passing messages. > > > > 73 > > > > David G4DMP > > > -- > 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw > qth nr felixstowe uk > (east coast, county of suffolk) > >