Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18717 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 20:20:00 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 20:20:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 20860 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 20:20:08 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 20:20:08 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18P75x-0000dE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:16:37 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.13] (helo=smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18P75x-0000d5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:16:37 +0000 Received: from tnt-2-196.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.196] helo=erica) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18P75t-0002e2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:16:33 +0000 Message-ID: <005e01c2a79b$c35fcc40$1e1686d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021209143359.02c73748@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <007a01c2a60a$30204460$4132f7c2@a7j7r2> <000701c2a618$b0d266c0$0c00a8c0@home> <000d01c2a61f$b1ab8480$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001701c2a63a$0b655720$0500a8c0@charter.net> <006c01c2a68b$343a5be0$4c2465d5@oemcomputer> <002001c2a6f2$46e367c0$d2c828c3@erica> <001c01c2a738$53353bc0$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:17:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Mike G3XDV said > > No. Sorry if I was unclear. I have three top wires, 18m long, running > parallel and spaced 0.5m apart. The wires have always been joined at the far > end, and this helps reduce the corona losses. I also had them joined at the > feed end, next to the elevated loading coil at the top of the vertical > section. What I did was to disconnect the join at the feed end, so that the > coil fed just the centre wire. The current then went along this centre wire > to the join at the far end, and returned along the two outer wires. This is > what increased the resonant frequency when I would have expected the extra L > in the top wires to decrease the frequency. I have concluded that the > shorting wire close to the coil was probably having a capacitive effect on > the coil and reducing the overall frequency. Whether the top wires are > electrically in parallel or series seems to make no difference at all. I checked with your original e-mail description and found that I had got it all wrong. Still nothing lost, I had wanted to try and see if increasing the spacing of the two wire top load from an average of 2m to 4m would change anything. In the event it did not. I will be transmitting tonight as part of my antenna current puzzle measurements on 72.4003. At this time the ground has dried out and the antenna current at 1600 was 4.9 amps, which fell to 4.1 amps by 1930 I am interested in Dexter's loop. My 4m square loop (described in the web page below) uses a single turn coupling turn and coax back to the receiver. It works reasonably well having been used in a 'reverse' T/A 136/80m crossband in Feb 2001 with VE1ZZ but he had a very big signal. What preamp circuit did you use Dex? As regards using big antennas on LF, many operators using a temporary big mast had problems on receive. Big antennas seem OK provided a variable attenuator and a good passive preselecter are used. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web