Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9906638000162; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1R75Hf-000084-16 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 13:55:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1R75He-00007v-9J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 13:55:14 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1R75Hc-00053E-8R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 13:55:14 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlIBAMGAfE5cHYss/2dsb2JhbABCgk2SMAOEGI53eYFOBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh2m1K4cBBIJUhG6WJYcc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,430,1312153200"; d="scan'208,217";a="360924625" Received: from host-92-29-139-44.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.139.44]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 23 Sep 2011 13:55:05 +0100 Message-ID: <005701cc79f0$03b865b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000a01cc7942$09fbef90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><433A1E6B2B1A4FA895223B81346E0F1C@HughLaptop> <1316725280.28680.YahooMailNeo@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 12:55:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Turbine magnets Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01CC79F0.034F6AB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:510436192:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74e7c82145f60 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CC79F0.034F6AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dennis On the motorway near Glasgow the GPS instructed me to keep right when in = fact I had to keep to the left lane. Strange things happen in Scotland, = the mystery was solved when I noticed the road had been altered on a = couple of occassions, so I followed the road signs. It pays to keep alert and have additional nav aids.=20 Now back to LF/MF observations and all quiet at present although 10 = metres is wide open worldwide. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DENNIS EASTERLING=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 10:58 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Turbine magnets Hi All Chatting about this at the radio club last night, one member has = noticed a similar effect as Mal when passing Letchworth swimming pool, = though no wind generators in sight. Perhaps we have gremlins about? 73 Dennis M0JXM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:01 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Turbine magnets Hi all I think the MoD have a say in the locating of Wind Turbines owing to = there effect on RADAR but nothing to do with stray magnetic fields as = far as I am aware. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX47VN From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2011, 21:33 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Turbine magnets I think there are some problems with walking in Scotland = using magnetic compasses , due to the rocks ??=20 From: Andy Talbot=20 Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:15 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Turbine magnets Surely if the magnetic field leaked that much, the generators would = suffer efficiency. =20 They are designed as closed magnetic circuits, with all the field = lines closely confined in iron, with small air gaps Andy 'jnt =20 On 22 September 2011 21:07, Hugh M0WYE wrote: Seems unlikely that the magnetism would reach that far to me - the = magnetic field would be no different to any other large generating set - = they are just an ordinary alternator driven through a gearbox. If they did affect magnetic compasses you would have thought that = the place you would really notice it would be around the coast, with = small boats sailing in amongst them. Although they look as if they are turning slowly, they can't do = many rpm before the tips of the blades go supersonic, as the blades are = many 10s of metres long. Over what distance did you notice the magnetic effect? perhaps I = could get down to the ones on Romney Marsh, here in Kent and see if they = have any effect on a compass needle. The moving blades can affect radio reception for people living = nearby, although I've not noticed this myself. 73 Hugh M0WYE ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:09 PM Subject: LF: Turbine magnets Great for LF!!!!!!!!!!!!! Experience Driving to Gleneagles in Scotland last weekend my car magnetic = compass was reading backwards and erratic and I wondered why. The hills es mountain tops are covered with WIND TURBINES, hugh = beasts and only turning slowly, cannot be producing much electric. however thinking about it I have concluded that the strong = MAGNETS in the turbines must effect a magnetic compass, possible = aeroplanes as well except they are flying very high, might also have an = influence on GPS frequencies and navigation in these areas I must say these hugh Monsters strewn all across the Scottish = mountain tops and countryside spoils the scenery. de Mal/G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CC79F0.034F6AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dennis
On the motorway near Glasgow the GPS instructed = me to keep=20 right when in fact I had to keep to the left lane. Strange things happen = in=20 Scotland, the mystery was solved when I noticed the road had been = altered on a=20 couple of occassions, so I followed the road signs.
It pays to keep alert and have additional nav = aids.=20
Now back to LF/MF observations and all quiet at = present=20 although 10 metres is wide open worldwide.
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DENNIS EASTERLING =
Sent: Friday, September 23, = 2011 10:58=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Turbine=20 magnets

Hi All
 
Chatting about this at the radio club = last night,=20 one member has noticed a similar effect as Mal when passing Letchworth = swimming pool, though no wind generators in sight. Perhaps we have = gremlins=20 about?
 
73 Dennis M0JXM 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, September 22, = 2011 9:01=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Turbine=20 magnets

Hi = all
 
I think the MoD have a say in the = locating of Wind=20 Turbines owing to there effect on RADAR but nothing to do with stray = magnetic fields as far as I am aware.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX47VN
From:=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Sent: Thursday, 22 September = 2011,=20 21:33
Subject: = Re: LF: Re:=20 Turbine magnets

 
I think  there  are  = some=20 problems  with  walking  in Scotland  = using  =20 magnetic  compasses  , due to the  rocks ?? =

Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Turbine magnets

Surely if the magnetic field leaked that much, the generators = would=20 suffer efficiency.  
They are designed as closed magnetic circuits, with all the = field lines=20 closely confined in iron, with small air gaps
 
Andy
'jnt


 
On 22 September 2011 21:07, = Hugh M0WYE=20 <m0wye@radiouk.com>=20 wrote:
Seems unlikely that the magnetism = would reach=20 that far to me - the magnetic field would be no different to any = other=20 large generating set - they are just an ordinary alternator driven = through=20 a gearbox.
If they did affect magnetic = compasses you=20 would have thought that the place you would really notice it would = be=20 around the coast, with small boats sailing in amongst = them.
Although they look as if they are = turning=20 slowly, they can't do many rpm before the tips of the blades go=20 supersonic, as the blades are many 10s of metres = long.
Over what distance did you notice = the=20 magnetic effect? perhaps I could get down to the ones on = Romney=20 Marsh, here in Kent and see if they have any effect on a = compass=20 needle.
 
The moving blades can affect = radio reception=20 for people living nearby, although I've not noticed this=20 myself.
 
73
Hugh M0WYE
----- Original Message ----- =
From: mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Thursday, September = 22, 2011=20 5:09 PM
Subject: LF: Turbine = magnets

Great for LF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Experience
 
Driving to Gleneagles in Scotland last = weekend my=20 car magnetic compass was reading backwards and erratic and I = wondered=20 why.
The hills es mountain tops are covered = with WIND=20 TURBINES,  hugh beasts and only turning slowly, cannot be = producing=20 much electric.
however thinking about it I have = concluded that=20 the strong MAGNETS in the turbines must effect a = magnetic=20 compass,  possible aeroplanes as well except they are = flying=20 very high, might also have an influence on = GPS frequencies and=20 navigation in these areas
I must say these hugh Monsters strewn = all across=20 the Scottish mountain tops and countryside spoils the=20 scenery.
 de Mal/G3KEV
 




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