Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19992 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 04:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 04:35:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 21973 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 04:35:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 04:35:48 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14iTOR-000647-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 04:46:39 +0100 Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([203.96.92.15]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14iTON-000642-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 04:46:35 +0100 Received: from xtr743187 ([202.27.181.42]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20010329034550.OTUB13618927.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:45:50 +1200 Message-ID: <005601c0b802$ccff4260$58b51bca@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000b01c0b7d3$630617a0$1de57ad5@default> Subject: LF: Re: PLL filter for BPSK Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:45:34 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, While PLL systems are in service for systems having quite good signal to noise ratio (such as telephone modems) it is quite another thing to try and decode the wanted signal when it is a noise to signal situation. For other than LF applications I have been looking at "dejitter" countermeasures for accurate clock recovery from signals passing through digital links (the sampling causes phase jitter in the original signals), and it seems that a dual PLL setup is an answer. PLL#1 to recover what clock signal can be readily found, then PLL#2 to clean up the jitter from PLL#1. PLL#2 could need to have a high performance oven oscillator VCO, to hold centre frequency for long periods, so it is not without complication. This approach may have applicability to detection of weak BPSK signals on LF, but I suspect that a single PLL with free running VCO would be rather useless for noise to signal scenarios. 73, Bob ZL2CA