Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94873 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2005 12:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore04.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Mar 2005 12:43:36 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1D66kf-000PwN-Qy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:45:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1D66ke-000Pvb-UK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:45:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1D66ir-0004iJ-Sb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:43:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1D66iO-0006aI-HE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:43:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1D66iN-0006Zg-Bn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:43:03 +0000 Received: from smtpout18.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.18] helo=mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D66iK-0001fo-Pc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:43:03 +0000 Received: from aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050301124255.OMV20856.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:42:55 +0000 Received: from p2300 ([80.1.188.62]) by aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050301124254.XMLE9818.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@p2300> for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:42:54 +0000 Message-ID: <005501c51e5c$5170d220$47540150@p2300> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200502271724500058.0418698B@mail.zetnet.co.uk><005001c51cf8$524d6c40$10b80150@p2300> <200502281113330523.07EADBD4@mail.zetnet.co.uk> <007201c51d8c$ab993a60$37b80150@p2300> <004101c51e54$11e9fa80$2101a8c0@AUG2004> <003d01c51e5a$7da54440$47540150@p2300> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:43:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.250.162.18 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Locators Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) BTW is there a site with a program that inputs lat.long and outputs the locator and "wab" ? Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: captbrian To: Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:30 PM Subject: LF: Re: Locators > That is an interesting historical account but you fail to tell us the > reasons advanced for not using Lat. Long. ie trigonometrical definitions on > a true curved surface rather than draughtsman drawn squares on a > draughtsman drawn simulation on a flat sheet of paper > > G3GVB > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Walter Blanchard > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 11:44 AM > Subject: LF: Locators > > > > In 1968 I had a long-running correspondence with the RSGB over the IARU > > adoption of what was then the "QRA Locator"; later to become the > > "Maidenhead" locator. QRA was first proposed for amateur use by a Czech > > amateur OK1VR in 1958 and was subsequently adopted by amateurs in all the > > Warsaw Pact countries. I believe it originated in a USSR military locator > > system already well understood by them. The Western (NATO) counterpart was > > the GEOREF system which I described in an RSGB Bulletin article in 1968. > The > > RSGB VHF committee at the time were, somewhat amazingly, unaware of GEOREF > > and thought that QRA was a totally amateur invention. When I started > pushing > > for GEOREF, a more logical, accurate and simpler system, I was more or > less > > told to keep quiet and stop rocking the boat since the IARU were going for > > QRA and that was that. The rest, as they say, is history. I forecast at > the > > time that QRA would never have the accuracy required for accurate contest > > scoring and that's why Maidenhead has become so needlessly complicated. We > > could also have gone for the well-established world-wide UTM grid but I > > suppose that would have been too easy. It's all too late to do anything > now, > > of course, but I have never met a professional geodesist who understands > why > > we need Maidenhead. . > > > > Walter G3JKV. > > > > > > > > > > > > >