Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILINDA072-a84472dd9a3250; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 09:39:36 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA084-a84472dd9a3250; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 09:39:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Iogd6-0000OI-QA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:39:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Iogd6-0000O9-6a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:39:12 +0000 Received: from smtp811.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.71]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Iogd3-0004MM-HK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:39:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 11847 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2007 14:38:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=KE8pCTRJWkgkq1nbo7vyX4kPfCfn2JQlJjCyKGNsTmI1gwzCQnnw88TwqF2yoMpoO7APC+1rOKAP5EeSf3EcZXdndYpsqXsLseqkED8fHmYhKBaSD+n8jRjT0x/P6UgIabF9EF9fs3Ftxz6Cn1n13Jlwl695U0Q0Uj685JyF7zU= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.58.182 with login) by smtp811.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2007 14:38:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: R.8sNlMVM1mcVDORnXoSWVJbZLZa6U.UHhApTzn3DIs6q3eoBE4ryily70jAHBWqB9N_v.F4lA-- Message-ID: <005301c81ef0$68d2f820$0900a8c0@Lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <000701c81ede$3af050e0$1ae4fc3e@g3kev> <20071104132452.4267a761@lurcher.twatt.local> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 14:38:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: CLASS D and E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : Class E ( and I think also probably Class D but I am not sure about that one) will only give maximum efficiency at the design power loading. You cannot tune for max smoke (well you can if you have dissipation capability in hand but you will not get the 90% levels) My test 150watt 137kHz PA achieved 93% on the bench, but it has to be tuned with a scope for the correct drain waveforms. ( the stage is perversely tuned about 10% below the operating frequency) This is best described in Prof. Nathan Sokal's article in QST (or was it QEX).....Nat invented the mode in the 1970s. The lost efficiency is due to switching the FET on and off at slightly the wrong times. Best efficiency is also at the higher voltages. At 12 V the Ron*Idss product is a substantial portion of the 12 volts available. A higher voltage also increases the output impedance and leads to lower peak currents and less loss in the caps and inductor and the leads. It is a fiddly narrow band PA. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Pumford-Green GM4SLV" To: Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 1:24 PM Subject: Re: LF: CLASS D and E > On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 12:28:05 -0000 > "hamilton mal" wrote: > > > Hi all > > Class D and E amplifiers are supposed to give around 80/90 % > > efficiency. Has anyone actually achieved these figures. It seems > > anything above 60% is hard to arrive at using normal coils/capacitors. > > > > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > > > Just checked my Class-E IRF150 amp into load. > > At 50W output :- > > Dc supply = 18.7v at 3.4A > > Efficiency = 78% > > John > > -- > John GM4SLV > IP90gg > Clousta, Shetland > >