Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7720 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2001 01:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Apr 2001 01:30:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 14907 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2001 01:30:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 16 Apr 2001 01:30:17 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14oxld-0006pa-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 02:25:25 +0100 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14oxlb-0006pV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 02:25:23 +0100 Received: from steve (ppp176.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.176]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA27788 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:24:53 +1000 Message-ID: <005301c0c614$19889180$0301a8c0@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <63.14878f3e.28088e1e@aol.com> <003e01c0c53a$29315d90$0700000a@parissn2> Subject: LF: Re: WOLF... Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:25:11 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day Stewart, Once again congratulations on the success of WOLF !!! You have done a good job in bringing another step forward in the game. I have been looking with interest at your web site and found it very interesting. There is just one thing I don't understand on the site:- start quote :- "Multitone FSK, etc. I believe that sending multiple tones at once is not suitable for weak-signal LF work. Virtually all PA's in use are limited by PEP (rather than thermally). Therefore, sending two tones requires that each be 6 dB below the level permitted for a single tone, to avoid clipping the envelope. Compared with sending the tones sequentially, there is a still a 3 dB loss, even after allowing for the longer durations. " end quote :- The thing I don't understand is how did you manage to create a BPSK signal (which I understand WOLF is) without creating two symmetrical sidebands ??? I thought if you generated a BPSK signal at some rate it would create at least one pair of sidebands (two tones). All my simulations do this. How did you manage to eliminate the two tones ? The second thing I don't understand is that you say there is a 6dB penalty. This is true for linear systems. However, one of the recommended methods for WOLF (apparently widely used} is to use a XOR gate phase switcher. Using this scheme the penalty is 3.92dB, not 6dB. Taking into account the longer durations (which you correctly identify gives 3dB gain) the penalty is only 0.92dB compared to a single tone. 73s Steve Olney (VK2ZTO/AXSO - QF56IK : Lat -33 34 07, Long +150 44 40) ============================================= HomePage URLs: http://www.qsl.net/vk2zto http://www.zeta.org.au/~ollaneg Containing:- ULF, ELF, VLF & LF Experimentation InfraSonic Experimentation Laser Comms DX Amateur Radio Astronomy =============================================