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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:488707872:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m025.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40904e7332f1411e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Piotr yes long term monitoring does suggest that the best times are often just after sunset and just before dawn at mid-path. I think the before dawn period can be good after a geomagnetic event because the precipitated electons which increase the absorbtion of LF signals are slowly decaying during the darkness period. However it also depends on where you are located. In the UK we have no QRM sources to the west (The Atlantic :-)) ) but we have land stretching to the east. So for us the dawn period has the lowest QRM because the propagation of QRM from the East is cut off by the dawn. The East Coast American stations often see the opposite....mid west states QRM starts to appear later in the night. Even then odd periods of enhanced signal can pop up at any time. I always found a general dip in signal levels here around roughly 0230 to 0400 in winter when the darkness was longest. Fascinating stuff. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Piotr Mlynarski" To: Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 11:57 AM Subject: Re: LF: QRN in the west? W dniu 2011-09-16 02:12, Stefan Schäfer pisze: > Bill, Dex, > > Decided to TX anyway, starting at 3 UTC, repeating 2x my call. That > was arround the best time during Bill's last reception of my signal. > For Dex it may be a bit later (?), thus 2x. > Hi Stefan, LF Group last night i had my radio gear off but the previous night my grabber at 136.172 kHz has been switched on and i also made some auto screen saves. Two of them in a sequence: http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski/capt05.jpg http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski/capt06.jpg show that, indeed, the best time for RX ( read: possible qso) was betwwen 03 - 04 UTC Of course, it is my "one -time" observation , however, it fully confirms the long terrm observations made by Mal, g3kev and stated in one of his recent mails that this part of european night is a good one for possible dx operation at LF Also , the relatively high S/N at qrss-60 speed indicates that it can be changed into higher speeds , say "30' or even '10' - sure, it will decrease S/N but not that much making decoding impossible but , at the same time, allowing for full exchange of callsigns etc... assuming it must be fitted in , say,one hour, timeslot. 73, Piotr, sq7mpj